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Fingers crossed I will. There's a stunning linear just shy of 20lb when last out. It's added 2lb since last season so they're growing on it's one of my targets. That and a dark scaled common that hasn't been out but I've seen a few times boshing that I and another guy with 60 years carping experience put at close to 30 having seen it. If I get those two I'll be a happy man.

Nige you're right on the chub but none have come out. Believe they went in to try and keep the fry under control. It's proving a difficult water to me. It's small at 2.5 acres with 80 fish and barely anyone has multiple captures. Even more experienced anglers. I went with worms as the fish do seem a little pre-occupied on naturals. I've watched them swim over a baited area with no rig and go suck snails of the tree roots. Hence trying something different. First few sessions I had nothing but now over the last two I've had a 23 a 14.5 and a 12.5. So I'm starting to understand it more and their feeding areas. I've come down to walj round and drop baits in to try to understand where they feed and keep notes of where I see any signs. I'll dig more worms next trip and try them again with some of the advice from the forum members. I like Welders approach and seems much safer than injecting worms with a needle to give them a little lift.

Frogy....I'm still learning but the hair rig was one of the major step forwards in carp fishing due to the seperation it allowed between hook and bait. So from what I understand having a long hair allows better seperation and makes it more difficult to eject as hook and bait are acting more independently. As a carp tried to blow the bait back out having a good degree of seperation will allow the hook to drop into the bottom of the carps mouth as it tried to blow the bait back out. Popups are different and I fish tight to the shank. I tend to use longish hairs with some form of pva to prevent tangling.