daleg2008 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 I'm having trouble finding a guide on how to tie an Actual Rig where the hair is a thin piece of mono tied to the bend of the hook. Can anyone explain or send me a link to actually tie it? Thanks Dale Quote
tonybranno Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Im confused cos you have just answered your own question. It is as simple as you have just wrote, a fine mono hair tied to the bend of the hook..... and thats it. Pretty self explanatory really Quote
daleg2008 Posted June 21, 2009 Author Report Posted June 21, 2009 not really no as tying in straight to the hook it just slips. they must of used a certain type of knot? Quote
tonybranno Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Try a grinner then. It will stay on the bend of the hook with no problems at all. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 What material are you using for a hooklink? Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 I'm having trouble finding a guide on how to tie an Actual Rig where the hair is a thin piece of mono tied to the bend of the hook. Can anyone explain or send me a link to actually tie it? Thanks Dale Probably a couple of ways https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=22185 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37416 From the bottom link I remember Andy Little explaining that he found it easier to make a continuation from the hook knot and down the shank, (can be done with the knotless knot or any knot to include a hair material inside the knot barrel) held in place with a couple of pieces of silicone, but you know about that one, cos I remember your Silicon splitting Try getting a length of mono/or hair material, roughly double the length you want as a hair. Double Overhand knot the 2 ends together, you then have a loop at the other end. Put loop alongside hook bend, then the knotted piece put over hook bend and down through the loop. Put bait in loop and then put stop in. (Does that make sense?). It is a double thickness hair, but the tight loop doesn't slip far Or get your hair material, tie loop in end for bait stop, then attach to hook with a grinner or blood knot on the bend. Quote
daleg2008 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 What material are you using for a hooklink? its a 2lb breaking strain mono. Quote
daleg2008 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 I'm having trouble finding a guide on how to tie an Actual Rig where the hair is a thin piece of mono tied to the bend of the hook. Can anyone explain or send me a link to actually tie it? Thanks Dale Probably a couple of ways https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=22185 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37416 From the bottom link I remember Andy Little explaining that he found it easier to make a continuation from the hook knot and down the shank, (can be done with the knotless knot or any knot to include a hair material inside the knot barrel) held in place with a couple of pieces of silicone, but you know about that one, cos I remember your Silicon splitting Try getting a length of mono/or hair material, roughly double the length you want as a hair. Double Overhand knot the 2 ends together, you then have a loop at the other end. Put loop alongside hook bend, then the knotted piece put over hook bend and down through the loop. Put bait in loop and then put stop in. (Does that make sense?). It is a double thickness hair, but the tight loop doesn't slip far Or get your hair material, tie loop in end for bait stop, then attach to hook with a grinner or blood knot on the bend. Yeah i know what you mean. Well my theory is that how many people actually use a proper hair rig? the knotless knot is so easy to tie so i would dare to say 90% of anglers tie their hair in this manner. This is where it got me thinking. when they first used them i beleive they had problems with the hook turning and catching hold? well with all the hook patterns we have available today maybe there is a way around it and still tying it to the bend of the hook? i was thinking of a curv shank with shrink tubing and trying out different angles to try and get a decent hook hold. I beleive the whole idea of the hair was when the carp mouthed the bait they felt no hook? now days they might of grown acustom to feeling for braid? its still thin in diameter but is it thin enough? Ill also play around with the breaking strain in the mono and might try and get hold of some really thin braid. Its going to be a fiddly job, but how many anglers would bother? Hopefully be tryng my ideas out on Friday on a local day ticket water. its not hard, but its not easy so should be a good testing ground. i will note the hook holds and give each rig a fair chance. i will post results if anyone would be interested? Slack Lines Dale Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 What material are you using for a hooklink? its a 2lb breaking strain mono. the hair must be thin then My reason for asking was because of the size of the knot going down the shank but you seem to want it on the bend anyway. Quote
daleg2008 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 I might tie it on the shank. i think the bend would be better for them not to suss you out to easily, as the knotless knot leaves the shank. yeah i want the hair as thin as possible. i also know thought about balancing the bait, but then putting a shot underneath the hook eye so when the bait is eventually sucked in the extra weight shold drop the hook. Quote
carpio_rom Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 @daleg, I wouldn't advice useing a verry thin braid. It will cut the fish's mouth quite badly. I've seen it happen and belive me it wasn't a pretty sight. As for the hair tied on the shank it couldn't be easyer. A Grinned knot should solve it.k Quote
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