carpingod150 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Is it better to use a needle knot or a figure of 8 loop knot to attach mono to leadcore at the reel end??? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtaylor Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I use a palomar knot for florocarbon, and a Grinner for mono and braid. I dont know either of the ones you've mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexlovesfishing123 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I use the palomar....strong knot very easy to tie..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayonhussy Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I have always tied mono straight to my reel. Why are you not ment to do that? Saying that I have never had any problems doing that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpingod150 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 this is the needle knot... http://www.dynamitebaits.com/index.php?id=717&usergroup=carp And the figure of 8 knot is just where you make a loop knot in your mainline, then a loop in the leadcore, and pass the leadcore through the line knot, and put t'other end of the leadcore through the spliced loop It's hard to explain lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I think the only safe knots to use with Leadcore to Mainline are the Needle Knot, or to splice it and then a Uni/Grinner knot through the splice. The Leadcore if you get a snap-off must not become a Death Rig, so if the water is weedy or snaggy then don't use it. It will tangle round weeds and snags even with no Lead attached. I prefer to use Running leads with it, although Helicopter rigs slide off the Leadcore better if only Rubber beads are used, and must NOT be glued into place. Even putting the bead on by making another hole with a Baiting needle can get trapped on the Leadcore, far better to use a small piece of silicon under the rubber bead. I have written in the past about a Leadcore rig that cut off my Marker, that I eventually managed to snag and drag in at SWP. There was no way a Fish could eject the lead, I tried, and Trevor the Bailiff tried, using Pliers and full force between us. The rig swivel would not slide off the leadcore, so whoever was using the so called "safezone" rigs could have been responsible for a Fish death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh22 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I've always used the needle knot, and it's never done me wrong. Once i've tied the knot, i always glue it with a bit of super glue. This alway gives me a bit more confidence with using this knot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefull Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 i use a loop-to-loop method, with a spliced loop of about 2-3mm in the leadcore. I also use running rigs the vast majority of the time, apart from in very heavy weed or for long-distance stuff, so the lead can always slide over the top of the loops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armopoint Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 The only one in my mind for leadcore is the needle knot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 i use a loop-to-loop method, with a spliced loop of about 2-3mm in the leadcore. I also use running rigs the vast majority of the time, apart from in very heavy weed or for long-distance stuff, so the lead can always slide over the top of the loops. I must admit I don't like loop to loop with Mainline to leadcore. I prefer a proper knot. The loop in the Mainline is a potential weakspot. Any Loop formed using an Overhand knot is nowhere near 100% in terms of strength. Also in weed, the Leadcore, even with a "safe" set-up, is a liability. The leadcore can get tangled round the weed, tethering a Carp. Even if the Running Lead is ejected, which in weed is not always a definite, then the Leadcore is weighty enough to tangle around any weed and prevent the rig being ejected. The Carp then has to break free, which is damaging the fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpmandan Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Splice the leadcore then i use a grinner knot splicing is very strong much stronger than any knot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 I've always used the needle knot, and it's never done me wrong. Once i've tied the knot, i always glue it with a bit of super glue. This alway gives me a bit more confidence with using this knot. Never have confidence with Supergluing Knots. A Splice will hold on itself without Superglue. I always worry that after a period of time a Superglued Knot will break, (a subject I have brought up in the past: https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=20072) I test every knot before I cast the rig out, the Mainline to swivel knot, the Hook knot and the Hooklink to Swivel Knot, as well as when I tie the rigs they are checked and tested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh22 Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 HMMMM. may have to think twice about glueing knots in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evans Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 i would always use the needle knot as i have 100% confidence that the lead can pass over it making if you were to break off . if you use any other knot you have to splice each end and when testing this (at home) i found that sometimes the lead does not pass over it. Making it a DEATH rig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 i would always use the needle knot as i have 100% confidence that the lead can pass over it making if you were to break off . if you use any other knot you have to splice each end and when testing this (at home) i found that sometimes the lead does not pass over it. Making it a DEATH rig. If the Lead is attached to the End Splice, then the Rig should come off the other end of the Leadcore. If you use Running Leads then the Run Ring the lead is attached to should be free to come off the Leadcore, and it can pass over the splice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evans Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 i tested it with an inline lead and the insert in the lead was getting caught on the splice, stopping it from coming free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilscatchin Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Just take out the insert,I always get rid of the hard plastic ones and replace with a Korda(yes you did read that right) shockleader sleeve with an inline anyway and if spliced correctly it should come off with relative ease.I only tend to fish inlines generally at close range so removing the insert doesn't cause major issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evans Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 why take the risk when you could just use the needle knot with 100% confidence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilscatchin Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Absolutely agree,nearly all pretied leadcore comes with a splice at one end with a swivel at the other and if not both ends are spliced.If someone is asking a question such as this I presume(may be wrong) that they're buying a pretied leader and I can't really see them cutting the splice off to tie a needle knot. I,as you obviously do, check every rig to ensure safety before use and I'd never use a rig that was unsafe hence why I said about removing the insert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayonhussy Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Can someone explain the basics of leadcore for me. The only thing I know about it is that it's a hook link used like braid???? Why it's used, how it's used??? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayonhussy Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 saying that im not sure even whether its the main line or the hook link...I basically don't have a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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