benji5857 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Can you tie a chod rig without using lead core? If you can would someone explain to me in really simple terms what to use instead and how to use it? Thanks in advance. Quote
nigewoodcock Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Have a look in the rig tying stickies mate. Two threads in there regarding chod rigs and how to tie safer versions. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 yes you can, just use your mainline Quote
benji5857 Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Posted July 3, 2012 Excuse my ignorance gents but I haven't used a shod rig before or seen one in the flesh. Is it the lead tat basically stops the hook link sliding off the line when you are playing a fish? If so, how can you make the rig safe? Surely if you use a really low breaking strain line it will just break off when you are playing a nice fish? I am clearly missing something here Quote
nigewoodcock Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Have a look through those threads mate. Loads of pictures flying about for you to look at and help you understand the mechanics of the rig. Quote
studley Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Slide a korda sinker up your mainline then slide a bead over it then yor hooklink then another sinker and bead then tie on your lead (safety clip) simples Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Excuse my ignorance gents but I haven't used a shod rig before or seen one in the flesh. Is it the lead tat basically stops the hook link sliding off the line when you are playing a fish? If so, how can you make the rig safe? Surely if you use a really low breaking strain line it will just break off when you are playing a nice fish? I am clearly missing something here  Part of your comment is one reason I don't like Helicopter set-ups, especially with a "naked" line section of light breaking strain mainline. You should be using a line strength of at least 15lb to my mind.  Have a read of these, some good pics and ideas here: https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=51296 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=36456 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?p=519408#519408 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603 Quote
benji5857 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Report Posted July 4, 2012 Excuse my ignorance gents but I haven't used a shod rig before or seen one in the flesh. Is it the lead tat basically stops the hook link sliding off the line when you are playing a fish? If so, how can you make the rig safe? Surely if you use a really low breaking strain line it will just break off when you are playing a nice fish? I am clearly missing something here  Part of your comment is one reason I don't like Helicopter set-ups, especially with a "naked" line section of light breaking strain mainline. You should be using a line strength of at least 15lb to my mind.  Have a read of these, some good pics and ideas here: https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=51296 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=36456 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?p=519408#519408 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603  Thanks for your patience. That last thread had a brilliant picture in it and would be my preferred set up. The only thing is, if the beads can release then how do you prevent them sliding down the line on the cast or when playing a fish? This is probably obvious but not to me I currently use Daiwa sensor brown 15lb. I don't want to use a leader so should I go for a higher breaking strain line? The new lake I am fishing has some nice twenties and probably thirties too by now. What size beads should I use and which of the two sizes of sinker? Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Excuse my ignorance gents but I haven't used a shod rig before or seen one in the flesh. Is it the lead tat basically stops the hook link sliding off the line when you are playing a fish? If so, how can you make the rig safe? Surely if you use a really low breaking strain line it will just break off when you are playing a nice fish? I am clearly missing something here  Part of your comment is one reason I don't like Helicopter set-ups, especially with a "naked" line section of light breaking strain mainline. You should be using a line strength of at least 15lb to my mind.  Have a read of these, some good pics and ideas here: https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=51296 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=36456 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?p=519408#519408 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603  Thanks for your patience. That last thread had a brilliant picture in it and would be my preferred set up. The only thing is, if the beads can release then how do you prevent them sliding down the line on the cast or when playing a fish? This is probably obvious but not to me I currently use Daiwa sensor brown 15lb. I don't want to use a leader so should I go for a higher breaking strain line? The new lake I am fishing has some nice twenties and probably thirties too by now. What size beads should I use and which of the two sizes of sinker?  The beads I used on that set-up were 8mm Rubber beads. A small PVA string loop or foam nugget will stop the beads sliding down on the cast, but it honestly doesn't matter that much, as you want them to slide up the line on impact with the water, so that the rig itself settles on the silt.  As for playing fish, it doesn't matter if they slide down to the lead attachment, in fact it is more likely to help avoid the trailing lead getting snagged or stuck in anything.  I've landed a fair number of fish to over 30lb on 15lb Daiwa Sensor, its a pretty good line, and years ago I did use it with Helicopter set-ups. Quote
dougmoon Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Excuse my ignorance gents but I haven't used a shod rig before or seen one in the flesh. Is it the lead tat basically stops the hook link sliding off the line when you are playing a fish? If so, how can you make the rig safe? Surely if you use a really low breaking strain line it will just break off when you are playing a nice fish? I am clearly missing something here  Part of your comment is one reason I don't like Helicopter set-ups, especially with a "naked" line section of light breaking strain mainline. You should be using a line strength of at least 15lb to my mind.  Have a read of these, some good pics and ideas here: https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=51296 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=36456 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?p=519408#519408 https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603  Thanks for your patience. That last thread had a brilliant picture in it and would be my preferred set up. The only thing is, if the beads can release then how do you prevent them sliding down the line on the cast or when playing a fish? This is probably obvious but not to me I currently use Daiwa sensor brown 15lb. I don't want to use a leader so should I go for a higher breaking strain line? The new lake I am fishing has some nice twenties and probably thirties too by now. What size beads should I use and which of the two sizes of sinker?  The beads I used on that set-up were 8mm Rubber beads. A small PVA string loop or foam nugget will stop the beads sliding down on the cast, but it honestly doesn't matter that much, as you want them to slide up the line on impact with the water, so that the rig itself settles on the silt.  As for playing fish, it doesn't matter if they slide down to the lead attachment, in fact it is more likely to help avoid the trailing lead getting snagged or stuck in anything.  I've landed a fair number of fish to over 30lb on 15lb Daiwa Sensor, its a pretty good line, and years ago I did use it with Helicopter set-ups.  i still only use 12lb line. in my mind if i need to use heavier i shouldn't be fishing there Quote
travisbickle Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 not sure why you would take that standpoint???.....the weight of the fish is one of many factors...and fairly low on the list when looking at line strength Quote
benji5857 Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Posted July 8, 2012 Ok thanks. One last thing, Do I make the hooklink a lower breaking strain than the leader? Quote
taylor43 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 No, you're hooklink should be 20lb or 15lb. Its such a complicated rig if you don't know exactly how it works, so many other easy rigs out there to use. Don't be fooled into thinking this rig is the only one to use. But studdy these links and look at some vidoes on youtube to gove you a good idea how they work and how to tie each individual section safetly. Good luck Quote
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