ste1984 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Hi guys, Are the above the same or different presentations Im a little confused in the difference Quote
david1982 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 hi ste, critically balanced just means the bait has no weight to it, the idea, i think, is that the carp will be take the bait in easier, where as a pop is very bouyant and will try to float up from the last point of weight on the rig. Quote
ste1984 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 Hmm and I was on the uderstanding that you still use putty/shot to balance the critically balanced baits hence the name.....Can you see my confusion Quote
david1982 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 yes i think you do, i think cork is often what is used for critically balanced baits bit obviously if you overdo it and dont want it standing up too proud you may still need to balance it out with weight. to be honest its only something i've played around with, could really do with someone else's explanation Quote
bart2000 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 A critically balanced bait is a bait with bouyancy added to it to counteract the weight of the hook. This makes the weight of the bait 'neutral' so it behaves in the same way as a loose fed bottom bait. It will still sit on the lake bed, but will move around freely as though it isn't attached to a hook. When carp are feeding on the bottom there movements and feeding actions can cause baits to move so the idea is that if you have a balanced boilie surrounded by loose boilies they will move in the same way as each other and not make the carp suspicious. A critically balanced bait is normally achieved by inserting cork into a bottom bait, or with a snowman rig: a pop up on top of a bottom bait. These should always be tested in the margins to make sure the desired effect is achieved. In contrast, a pop up is simply a floating bait which will lift the hook and hook length line off the bottom. Putty or shot can be used to set the height which the bait rises to. I hope I've explained that clearly enough, but let me know if it reads like complete codswallop! Quote
ste1984 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 I think I get you... So they are still classed as a bottom bait?? So would a boilie with a peice of artificial corn be something along the lines of a balanced bait ? Quote
bart2000 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Yes and yes! The corn would add bouyancy to the rig, in contrast to the hook adding weight to the rig. Basically you are trying to use something bouyant to neutralise the weight of the hook, so it just leaves you with the weight of the boilie. There's probably some mathematical equation for it, but I was always rubbish at maths! Quote
ste1984 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 Maths aside, you have been my personel myth buster today. many thanks for clearing that up, i Hop this thread and your answer helps a few more people that was struggling with it Quote
bart2000 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 You're most welcome. Glad I could be of some help Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Don't forget that you can counterbalance a pop-up so that it becomes critically balanced Or even overweight it. A pop-up is usually a bait presented above the lakebed, but a pop-up bait can be used on a rig on the lakebed or even in the silt. Even a zig rig is a pop-up or buoyant bait of some sort presented well above the lakebed. Bet that makes it as clear as mud Quote
ste1984 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Posted June 8, 2011 Sorry to start on this again guys. can anyone point me in the direction of what a balanced snowman should look like?? I have mine at the min so the shank of the kook if floating with baits above it, and the hook is sitting on its point near enough ??? Cheers guys Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 Sorry to start on this again guys.can anyone point me in the direction of what a balanced snowman should look like?? I have mine at the min so the shank of the kook if floating with baits above it, and the hook is sitting on its point near enough ??? Cheers guys I simply have mine with the hook laying on its side with the snowman baits sitting alongside it, the pop-up counterbalances the bottom bait (15mm p-u against 18mm bb) Quote
ste1984 Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 so both baits are on the bottom???? Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 so both baits are on the bottom???? The pop-up sits on top of the bottom bait, bit like a snowman really Quote
ste1984 Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Wicked thanks for your patience in this, I know its been done to death lol. Im pretty clear now with what I want to achieve now. Thankyou Any disadvantages of using it with a KD Quote
mattgroves Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Not at all, KD is at it's most effective with balanced baits, ideally those that only just sink (i.e. without the weight of the hook they would float). Testing in the margins or a bait tub filled with water is critical and worth the effort. Quote
ste1984 Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Yeah I spent most of last night trying a 15mmbb and 15mm pop. Just trimming away etc, the bait still looks a bit gig for my liking, so might try a cork insert. Who will be the best person/people to have a look at my rig pictures to make sure they are ok so otheres can learn from ??? As I coulnt find a picture of what I was trying to do Quote
mattgroves Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 post the pics here mate, most here will happily comment and help Quote
ste1984 Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Ok then they can maybe get moved to a presentaion stick or something ? Quote
salokcinnodrog Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Ok then they can maybe get moved to a presentaion stick or something ? I'll be happy for you to post them on here (https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=22185) if you are happy with them : Quote
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