daleg2008 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Hi guy's i want to use a helicopter lead arrangement, but not on leadcore. i have became a massive tubing freak either running rig or lead clip style. my favourite are esp anchor and rig marole. it would be nice if i could make a helicopter rig on them. if someone knows a ready made kit available with very heavy tubing then ill look into that, if not any beads specially designed for tubing work? at the moment im wondering how you attach the beads on the tubing? also is it ok to tie the lead straight to the mainline? anyone who has had experience with heli rigs and tubing would be helping loads, as i dont want to use leadcore or those korda safezone things. thanks dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
666carpcatcher Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Only porblem with useing tubing for a heli rig, is that if the line breaks the fish wont just be left with the rig, it will have rig and tubing and i cant think of a way around it that is safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I read on another forum that it was one of the safest set ups!? i can see your point, but i would of thought the bead slips off like on any leader. ok that means using a leader! any reccomendations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
666carpcatcher Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Its something i havnt used but the way i see it is...  If your line breaks, there is nothing holding the tubing to the lead unlike other set ups, so the tubing will simple slide of the line, then there will be no tension and the rig wouldnt be able to be pulled off the tubing, leaving rig and tube attached to the fish, it might be the safest rig, it might just be the way im looking at the situation  I have noticed that Fox do a tubing heli pack though.  Im going to have to go and have a play me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Reply back with your findings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noknot Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Hi Dale, Â How about setting up your own heli rig? With two or three different Diameters of tubing? The first a silicone tube that fits onto the lead swivel, then pushed inside that the "heli rig" on a smaller Dia tube with the two beads and ring swivel, and then your anti tangle tube inserted into the heli tube, this way in any event the rig will come apart rendering it safe! Alternatively, why use tubing at all? This is still effective for braid hooklinks, or use a mono or fluro hooklink as the rig was designed for, for long range casting with no tangles, hence the "heli rig" as it will revolve around the main line keeping the rig and bait away from tangles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I was thinking mainline straight through, but im not sure if the beads will come off?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noknot Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I was thinking mainline straight through, but im not sure if the beads will come off?! Â How is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Mainline isn't as rigid as tubing or a leader, so it could get damaged or kinked easier leading it to curl up and prevent the beads from parting the line. this is bearing in mind that the breakage is above the top bead. see what i mean? or have i got the wrong end of the stick of how to set it up on the mainline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zander1 Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 i think your biggest problem would be the bead and hooklink sliding back towards you on the cast tbh mate  put some pva foam behind the top bead on the cast  its perfectly safe- safer than a leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
666carpcatcher Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If you were to use mainline straight through, you would put the bead on sideways (pierce the bead with a baiting needle and so on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 If you were to use mainline straight through, you would put the bead on sideways (pierce the bead with a baiting needle and so on) thats not exactly safe either? i think some 0.5mm silicone is on order, that should hold the top bead enough for the cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
666carpcatcher Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Why?? Â Its not safe when useing a leader of some sort, as it wont pass over knots, but with main line straight through, no knots!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 why, because side hooking it would leave it tight on the mainline which is not ideal at all. the carp would be left towing the lead and the mainline if the breakage was above the top bead. no way would a side hooked bead move espescially on the mainline. I do sometimes wonder about about a leader, as if it works properly then its the safer option. even if a running rig snapped a few foot up the mainline minus the lead could still ball up and tether just as bad. i might have a play with some leaders and some large beads before deciding mainline straight through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
666carpcatcher Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 What diam mainline do you use ????? A side threaded rubber bead will slide very easy on mainline! But will be tight enough to hold the rig in place on the cast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noknot Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Why dont you just fish a heli rig with no AT tube, It works fine and is safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleg2008 Posted July 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 What diam mainline do you use ????? A side threaded rubber bead will slide very easy on mainline! But will be tight enough to hold the rig in place on the cast The whole point of side hooking a bead is that it grips whatever its side hooked on. there is no set diameter like on the normal holes, whatever diameter you pierce through rubber it will grip and not move freely. thats why side piercing beads on any leader is a big no no! but maybe your moving freely is different to mine. i used to set my leader beads that light that you could sneeze and they would come off. i use to replace all the leadcore beads that came with it with 6mm or 8mm beads that looked huge, but passed any small loop and kneedle knot in a breeze. the question is how many people bother? i feel sorry for the day ticket water carp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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