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Plus it depends on the swivel type you use. If you use a swivel with an addititional ring for the "loop" and have the standard end on the Mainline then you wouldn't need a loop knot.

 

If you use the extra Ring on the mainline then a loop knot may be useful.

 

Incidentally with all the problems with Leaders and Helicopter set-ups (Chod) have a look at these little beauties

 

Beach Beads

If there is a need for a Helicopter type set-up, then I know that Cox and Rawle (Sea Fishing) make a perfectly acceptable item for it, as do JRC

Beach Beads.

 

 

It is basically a Dumbell shaped bead, with the TOP section of the dumbell which can pull off the "pin".

Even better is that it can be used as a Sliding Heli- set-up. You don't have to pin it down near the lead, it can slide up and down the Mainline, and DO NOT use Rig Glue to hold it together, and use it the opposite way to the advice from Cox and Rawle.

 

It may not be perfect, but I do try to reduce the risks

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