running leads, leaders and a flying backlead

[nafy118]

after reading and revising on the different ways lead set-ups send indication and runnign rigs seem to come out on top where possible,

 

i also like to use leadcore when alowed, my thoughts are because i splice my own leadcore could i use an inline lead with the insert taken out on one of my leaders then put my flying back lead on? the reason i want to do this is because i dont like fishing with my bobbins on the deck with completely slack lines i like just a small drop on my bobbins so i can pick up line bites especially at this time of year.

[nigewoodcock]

So why do you need to use the leadcore?

[nafy118]

to provide a bit of abrasion resistance and to help to keep my end tackle pinned down even more,

 

so say i was fishing on top of or on the back of a bar i dont want my main line running over or onto the lip of the bar where it can be damaged and become weak

[nigewoodcock]

There are ways of having all you ask for without the use of leadcore. Tubing being the obviuos.

[nafy118]

ill admit never really used tubing due to being a pain in my backside to thread with the lengths i like to use, have you tried the new rig marole free fall? and what is it you have against lead core?

[nigewoodcock]

Have a search on leadcore Nafy and you will see lots of opinions, some for and some against Then make up your own mind if you use it. Just don't let the decision be based on that the alternative is a pain in the backside to do.

[nafy118]

fair point just read an article on the internet, the leadcore has to be tied on meaning if a breakges was to happen the lead core is more likely to tether a fish up than some mainline because the tubing will just slide off, leadcore can also be a more responsible for fish damaged and unless made properly can be completely unsafe, luckily i tested all mine before casting

 

im guessing your a keen user of tubing, how would i keep it stationary on the mainline with a running lead? put an anti tangle sleeve over the swivel and push it into this?

[nigewoodcock]

There are ways round it but I wouldn't use tubing on a running lead just slack lines. If your not using slack lines and only having a small drop on your bobbin then you are not fishing a true running lead.

[nigewoodcock]

Again there are loads of threads covering all you are asking. A quick look through the rig tying stickies is worth a shot. I think I recall a post on there with diagrams of how to set up a running rig utilising tubing. Probably done by someone who could tell you a lot more on the subject than me

[moorsey]

I tried but I can't resist getting involved in this debate.

I was an avid user and promoter of using lead core and even invented my own (keith moors) knot for it. However, I then found a fish tethered to a ball of weed via a legth of lead core (not mine I'm pleased to say). The lead had discharged properly bu the lead core had kinked and wound around the weed leaving the fish towing both. I managed to drag the fish out to rescue it but found that its bottom jaw had snapped under the pressure and left me having to kill it and bury it. Since then I started to examine my rigs and have now done numerous tests to try and use the most efficient and safe rigs possible. For what it's worth here are my findings.

1. The most efficient rig for bite indication is the running rig without any tubing or lead coreand fished slack or semi-slack.

2. The rig is even more efficient at hooking fish if used with light leads of 1 to 2 ounce. the reason for this is that the lead normally remains in place for the first few inches opf movement and then begins to be dragged across the lake bed. This draggin motion results in it juddering as it bounces from stone to stick to bit of weed etc and this sets the hook.

3. If used with a heavy lead it still works but the fact that the weight stays in place means that it drags the line across any bars or snags and can damage the line in so doing.

4. By fishing without any additional knots between rod and hook link the rig is the safest possible because any breakages (casting or playing fish) will normally occur at the hook lionk swivel leaving the fish with just the hook link to deal with.

 

In short use a light running rig with a fluoro or mono hook link to prevent tangles and fish it semi slack, with light bobbins and you have the safest and most efficient rig currently possible. As an "aide" to you confidence I can say that so far that one rig has caught me 33 forties and one fifty.

Hope that helps and be lucky

Keith Moors

[salokcinnodrog]

Nafy,

Plenty on the Running Leads mate , and loads more on Leadcore.

 

I'll give you some links that should help you, although you may have a lot of reading

 

Semi-Fixed, Bolt or Running leads

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=26640'>https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=26640

 

Slack Lines OR Tight Lines???????

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=27479'>https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=27479

 

Lead Set-ups

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603'>https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=37603

 

Flying backleads

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?

t=37079&highlight=leaders

 

Leader or not

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?

t=32598&highlight=leaders

 

https://forum.carp.com/carp-forum/viewtopic.php?t=31739&highlight=leaders

[nafy118]

thanks for all the help lads will try different things on each rod and see whihc works best for myself and my new water