That's ok mate rember you ain't got to fish the other side the lake as its a lake you can catch them two foot in front your peg just Av a look round the margins an throw some pellet an sweet corn and drop on rod there put other out the middel with pva bag and put a feeder on one and chuck out lik 20ft infront you once you start catching keep a nice flow of bait out for them and your hold them there mate