woodchester17

cant say ive ever used it but been reading a few articles on it. after some personal opinions on it. do you think its any better than a standard knotless knot??

what a simple double double overhand knot?

the multi rig. make with jelly wire and nash fang. ive used it as pop up, double bottom bait, snowman and even with 2 bits of maize on to catch our best fish.

as always, fantastic informing reply. thanks nick.

afternoon all, when using a line aligner be it pop up or bottom bait some say to use a huge blob of putty on the hooklink to help the tubing turn and set the hook,yet i was thinking would not a big blob of putty or shot prevent the hooklink from being sucked back in the fishes mouth, being heavy?? thoughts please chaps!! wils.

Thanks nick, so would you be happy with a running rig over particle? And you would be confident that the fish will hook itself ok even when quite stationary hoovering up hemp and maize grains? Sorry if I sound like I'm on repeat mode we just get told by many mags and authors that for a fish to hook itself on a running rig you need a wide scattering to get the fish moving between baits so it picks yours up , goes to move to the next bait and bingo. Long as your sure il be ok with my simple running rigs il sleep better tonight!! Thanks in advance, wils

Nice one, il stick to my running rigs then!! Was just concerned that when there isn't the weight of the lead to drive the hook home and the fish are not moving much and are rather stationary over the particle id be getting 'done' Might try fixed on one and running on the other and compare results!

Would the fish still not have to move a fair way to hit the shocker bead? And when fishing over beds of hemp etc they aparently don't do that? Suppose my question is what lead arrangement is best for fishing over beds of particle to hook the fish while keeping good bite indication?

i fish a old estate lake near where i live in stroud glos. aww, i tenched for years as a kid in a old club lake next to whelford pools/horseshoe , where i grew up. was fantastic watching huge tench take your breadflake in gin clear gravel pits 6 yards out!!! roll on the summer holidays (i work in a school) 7 weeks of a bivvy!!

yeah mate, wel ive had a spomb for ages and yeah they are great but had a few balls ups when hemp gets behind the release clip and i find it sometimes dont open unless it hits the clip and then drops vertical. i tend to just add some blended pellet to my hemp n maize til its abit stodgy and use my old spod. if id saved every penny that ive wasted on faddy bollox in fishin i wouldnt have a mortgage now and be retired at 31!! cant wait to get the kit now and give it a whirl. hope it works with other bags aswell as i have a mountain of korda and kryston ones!!! roll on june the 16th!!!!!!!

cheers chap, that was my concern as ive lost count the amount of times ive bought the "latest thing" as its sure to be the bogs dollocks and it never works right!! thanks for that review, il add it to my erics order that started of being 30 quid and is now at nearly 400!! thanks again mate.

morning brighton, was looking at that system, maybe you could do a quick review?

one is with you now!

and how does one get a rig that long in a pva bag?

that means semi fixed and poor indication

anyone use running rigs with beds of maize and hemp and tigers?? i know the general feeling is running rigs are a big no no as you need fish movement to get indication on a running set up. however i would miss the fantastic indications from running rigs and would really like to avoid the semi fixed set ups as ive had many situations where fish have moved 20 yards in a arc before i get so much as a beep!! i normally use the multi rig with a huge blob of putty to help set the hook on running leads with a wide scattering of boilies to encourage fish moving from one bait to the next but planning a particle approach this year. your thoughts please chaps and ladies?? mark

running lead with a mega long hooklength. wont matter what your casting over, your bait will be presented and you will have amazing sensitivity from the running rig J.D

jel e wyre!!

hello! yeah i diagram would be good thank you, however nicks idea of the link on lead to sink in silt is great. going to thread funnel web up length of hooklink and thread pva nuggets longways with a needle down the ledger link, would never tangle in a month of sundays. i like the sound of yor idea except i hate dumping leads unless i really have to (snag fishing etc) as i have a feeling in years to come fisheries are going to pay for anglers dumping tons of lead in water!! also with a inline i feel sensitivity would be lost as when the lead digs into the silt would cause a restriction on the line being pulled through it. another reason why i dont want to drop the lead is that its important to use a real heavy lead so it acts as a anchor/ pivot point. impossible to get a drop back! mark

again nick and co , thanks alot. mark

Could I ask a question about the "hand test"? I have seen the videos where various rigs are dragged over the heel of the palm to demonstrate how the hook will behave. It would seem to me that this only demonstrates what is happening when the line is being pulled i.e. when there is tension in the line. This will happen when the boilie is being sucked in or if the carp is backing away. If the carp is just mouthing the bait or is blowing it out, the feature demonstrated by the hand test is surely irrelevant? Ah yes!! The hand test!! Since when has running a rig in my living room across my warty old hand while watching matt Hayes total fishing been anything like a carp feeding nose deep in silt!!!!!! Ideally you want the point to turn over and prick the bottom lip of the fish, whether that is done using a taut hooklink or the carp blowing the bait out. So draging it across your palm and getting the hook towards the edge just before you pull it off the edge the hook cocks and pricks the palm on the edge... I very rarely loose any carp, cant remember the last, if i get a run its on, and well nailed in the centre of the bottom lip.. Results speak..

Thinking about it, I suppose a slim pva funnel web of stick mix threaded the length of hook length would eliminate tangles completely don't you think? Running rigs, going back to the future! Maybe it will become fashion instead of filling our lakes up dumping a really toxic (lead) substance!

Genius, roll on June 16th!! Gunna call it the slack dog rig!! Ta mukka

Thank you both for your help, but would the lead link not tangle with hook length on the big chuck as they both hang down together? I'm avoiding the chod like a heart attack I'm afraid, just can't risk losing anymore fish. The last one was a upper 30 that I hooked at 90 yards, it rolled on surface 30 yards out and then all went slack . . . . . . . . . . Thanks again to you both. Mark

Hello one and all, hoping someone can give me a little help with rigs. I fish a very old silty estate lake,last season was my first year there and I was using the helicopter rig (some call it the chod) but having lost 14 fish on it and some of the fish I landed had such light hook holds I wondered how I ever got them in I need to change my set up and am looking for suggestions. Like I have said I fish a real silty old place and presentation is hard work, I've just come back from France fishing a hard clay pit, had lead clip on 2 rods and inline running rig on 1, the bite indication on the running rig was unbelievable and would love to use it this season so I suppose my question is how do I go about using a inline running rig,casting 100 yards whilst presenting a bait in nasty silt! So desperate to get away from the helicopter set up although the hinge stiff rig looks like it might give better hook holds than the 'chod' set up with the extra movement it has?? I know nick is a fan of running rigs like me!! Thanks in advance for your help. Mark