groundbait 30%meathod mix 70% brown crumb for both feeders on the bottom punched lunchen meat works well or 10 mil boilies cast every 10 mins on the bagging waggler same mix all ways done very well on 10 mil white boilies cast out every 3 mins on both rods its best to have a baitrunner reel dont put the bait on the hook use a knotles knot with a hair,if you are going to use both fish them at the same distance start fishing at about 2 foot deep on the bagging waggler and dont let go of your rod, on average drayton rake 100 rod of the bottom each year hope this helps