Thanks mate that is really helpful. Both of my mates have the shimano 8000 and 10000. They have had cats over 40 and carp to 30. I must admit that they have coped really well. Apart from when the spool shot of the 80000 playing a cat as he hit the release by accident.
I do like the shimano but was really liking the fox but if they are not good enough there is no point getting them because they look nice.
The line thing really interests me as I have watched fish spook on my dark line or clear line but are quite happy to touch the yellow.
Thanks for the info. Plenty to mull over
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