on kingshurst the shard end lads have been takeing fish out of the lake for years and for that matter many of the other park lakes in birmingham, and on beaver the lake in water orton whould not surprice me at all if some of the fish had been taken!! i think its quite a big problem and really. i have caught well over 50 fish from kingshurst in the past 5years so i do think there is still a decent head of fish in the lake i was a local on there but have moved away from area so have not been down there for a while.