i did think that might be the case, i do fish for castaways club and we have fished quite alot of good lakes with plenty of single figured carp. i know of a god few lakes with big carp but im quite impatient and if iv not had a bit after 25 mins and a few casts into the same spot i cant halp but real it in and try a different spot. i guess your right, im gonna have to be patient and wait for bennefits i was just hoping someone might know a quicker way to catch the big ones. thanks for the info and your hepl