thanks for info.some info on magi-liner would be good as never heard of before.as for time on bank me an my mate who live 15 miles down the road from willowcroft have had 1 48 hour session so far this season he did alright 3 carp to 28lb 2oz and 5 cats to 21lb, 4pbs. myself i had couple of cats and a pb grass carp of about 1lb but hey pb is a pb.next time his luck runs out.