Thank you for your reply and advice. I agree its a lake that not fished regularly. It always looked like a carp lake to me until someone told me he had a few low double pike out of it several years ago. I've not visited the lake in a few years even though I live 6 miles away. I'm going to go down there tomorrow for a good look around you said a 2nd lake ? Didn't know there was another one there. Thank you for advice will give it a go for pike in October with dead sea baits may even chuck few lures in .