bretonangler

Update.... c'est avec beaucoup de tristesse et d'amertume que nous vous communiquons cette nouvelle: Suite à la décision du tribunal de commerce de Poitiers, nous sommes dans l'obligation d'annuler toutes les réservations et nous ne pouvons prendre aucune réservation supplémentaire à compter de ce jour. cette décision est liée principalement à un détournement massif de clients et de fond de la part de l'an...cien associé... nous cherchons un repreneur pour Freedom lakes et nous vous tiendrons informer de l'avancer du dossier. merci de votre compréhension Rémi et Jean-Noël ********************************************* It's with great sadness that we inform you about this news: after a justice decision of the Poitiers tribunal, we can't take booking and we must cancel all the booking. this decision is related at the diversion of the customers and money by the former partner... we search a buyer for freedom lakes and we will inform you about the progress of the file. best regards Rémi and Jean-Noël

The money was kept it seems by the English agent and not passed onto the French owner. As the group paid via Paypal they should be able to get their money back from the person they paid.once they have reported it to the police etc.

I think this is extremely unlikely. Probably mischief by the previous English manager now departed.....

Loads of possible venues at carp-france.com!

It's an unregistered fishery near Laval, which is a fair bit more than 3.5 hrs from Calais: about 5hrs. It is extremely silty so long hooklinks are required and I think left by the owner for anglers to use. Twenties and thirties water, to upper 30's. Nice place, but not a legal fishery so you are taking a risk.

I am not seeking to scare people off (I have no need to) but to just alert people to the law. It may never happen, but the point is it could because the French tax police have the power to take tackle as well as impuond cars if they wish. I agree they probably won't in the interests of entente cordial, but there is a first time for everything. Perhaps you should ask Brian Skoyles how he felt and what happened when the unregistered lake he was fishing in the Limousin was raided at dawn by the tax police whilst he was fishing?

All money made from or in France MUST be declared in France, it is illegal to register any business solely in the UK where the income comes from renting French property or sales made in France etc. The 2010 Double Taxation treaty underpins this. This applies even if payments are made in sterling and don't leave the UK. If the money is paid for the use of a physical French property i.e. gite, lake etc it is illegal not to declare that in France. Discocarper, if the French tax authorities raid a French venue which isn't registered in France and therefore does not have a SIRET number (and they have, several) the venue will be instantly closed down and fined back taxes for every year since it opened commercially. Any angler fishing or has booked will lose their holiday and can have their tackle confiscated for participating in an illegal enterprise.... the owner if he cannot pay the back taxes will have any French property he owns confiscated and he can be given a custodial sentence of up to four years........ And don't tell me it is tosh because I know of several individuals/fisheries it has already happened to.....including a friend of mine whose house and lake was confiscated and he was given the option of prison or never coming back to France again. He chose the latter, and the case took place in Brittany. Any anger fishing a fishery without a SIRET number or using a French company without a SIRET number is committing an offence under French law and would have no liability insurance if anything happened to them or others on the property etc. It has nothing to do whatsover with paying tax or not paying tax, it is about whether you are registered or not in France. You can still choose to evade taxes if you want, that's up to you, but if you are not registered in France in the first place that is illegal and anyone knowingly using an illegal business is also committing illegality. By profession I am a lawyer, by the way. If it has not got a SIRET numnber don't go....simples!

Still doesn't make any sense.... I have not seen an Englishman on an open access public water for at least five years here in regions 53 and 35, not least because most have no night fishing... Most English carp anglers gravitate towards the well known ones such as Orient, Cassien, Salagou etc where one can bivvy up which is hardly pioneering or forging ahead etc, I fished Orient 20 years ago .. The thread was about French Fishing Holidays and 99% of holiday anglers head to a private fishery owned by the French or English owned. I was simply making the point that the holiday angler is taking a big risk if he books a venue without a SIRET number, because if it doesn't have one it is an illegal fishery and can be closed by the authorities at any time...

Neither do I......

They are public waters, requiring just a carte de peche not privately owned fisheries....

Go to anywhere that has a SIRET number. This means the lake is registered in France as a business. If it doesn't have a SIRET number it is a black economy illegal fishery and you are committing a criminal offence under French law, plus you won't be insured if anything happens to you...