im just presenting the bait on a 6/7 inch esp braid with 1 tiger nut on over a bed of particles as i normaly do (boilies are banned on this club water ) everthing rig wise presentaion wise is the same ....only the hook is diff (long shank size 8 ) i normaly use a normal gape size 8 9no long shank) onlt diff is the fish are ejecting the long shank hook done my head in trying to work it out thats why i posted in here