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No. I don't say so. Every single object that adopts a stable position in flight without augmented stability has these characteristics. A sinker on the back of a spod trailing a massive drag inducing fishing line won't do anything because it's pretty hard to induce a bending moment with a flexible piece of string. Next time you use a knitted wrecking bar to pry a nail out, you be sure to let me know. If a kayak were a cost effective method of distance fishing that I wanted to indulge in, I'd not be asking about long rods and play with spodding, would I? What's the cost of a kayak and trailer or roof racks these days, compared to a cheap rod, reel, braid and spod? Can you put it all together for 42 dollars? You seem to be remarkably effective in failing to understand the point of all this.

Since we don't have boilies just yet, (Although the ingredients and other bits and pieces are being assembled today) my fishing buddy and I have been using a modified hair rig. Any old hook on the bottom of about 15mm long. Bait it up with whatever and then putting the second hook on the line with the knotless rig. What is important is that the hook have an inwards turned eye. (Towards the point.) I've settled on a Mustad viking or 540 hook in size 10. Available from BCF in Tuggers or Fyshwick. Once you've tied your bottom hook (where a boilie would normally be threaded and stopped) get your other hook and thread the line from the back of the hook through the eye. Slide the hook down so that the bend sits just above the bait hook and the line is along the back of the top hook. Have a look at how the eye of the hook has been closed and then wrap the shank (and line) of the hook about 7-10 turns (going away from the direction of the split in the eye for reliability sake if you're a pedant) Once you've done your turns (and this is the important bit that makes the rig work extremely well) take your line and thread it back through the eye of the hook FROM BACK TO FRONT. That creates the dogleg which makes the hook turn and catch. Since utilising this rig, every single fish we've caught since has been on the top hook. If you can't visualise the tying of it. just watch this youtube demo. After they tie the boilie loop, they tie the knotless rig.

Well, there you go. Applying oceanic thermocline issues to lakes is a mistake. It would be interesting to see if we have enough water mass and temperature differential here to get those effects. All the info is about much deeper lakes. Plus we don't get iced up which creates a thermal barrier to a certain extent. Which is good. Ice fishing kinda sucks as an idea.

Interestingly enough, after reading Jerome Moisand's articles where he has been videoing carp and watching them for much longer than his videos, he reports that their "being scared away" return times are much shorter than you'd expect. Even returning within a minute if they've been feeding. Apparently they remember where the pickings are good http://carpiopedia.pbworks.com/ He's coming to Australia shortly on holiday. He said that he's visiting Brisbane and Sydney. Someone should drop him an email and take him out for a fish while he's here. Oh. tapping the spool puts the momentary brakes on the spod and dampens the oscillations to a point where the fins (if any) can handle things easily. It's like popping a small parachute out the back and then letting it go. Spods have what's known as poor tail volumetric co-efficiency. But who cares? It's feeding fish. Not rocket surgery.

Nothing that can be considered power stations near water outlets in the ACT. There was an article in the paper within the last few weeks about anglers targeting small bream that were schooling in the warm outlets of power stations in NSW. The fisheries inspectors were waiting for them..

Nope. It would almost be impossible to get a spod to fly incorrectly with the trailing line providing a huge stability margin. While the CG stays forward of the aerodynamic center, the difference will be insignificant. (My background is aerodynamics, amongst many other things. ) You'd take a kayak out with you, but don't want to lug an extra rod....

Cold water sitting on top of warm water is a physical impossibility as long as there is gravity. You'll never find warmer water sinking. You'll find changes in water layers due to their proximity to energy sources causing the layers to mix and reorganise, but you won't find wamer as you go down. You'll find non linear changes in temperature with depth and variations, but not negative ones unless you find a thermal plume. And that's an energy source. Outlets from power stations can be interesting places to fish. And illegal in some areas of NSW lately too...

HEY! Keep that quiet. I'm trying to convince English carp anglers that drop bears are a myth. You'd be amazed what you can find in perfect condition out in the scrub under suitable trees. Lots of camping gear, bicycles etc. I'm hoping for some carping equipment.....

Lake Tuggeranong isn't that deep for the main part. Around Tuggeranong, a convenient way to gauge depth is with how much of the shopping trolley you can see exposed.... Thermoclines confuse sonar as well, which is handy if you're in a sub trying to stay away from the men flying around with expanding bait. I was thinking of what would happen to the storm water coming into the inlets as it would be of a different temperature to the standing water. I don't know if it would be warmer or colder at this time of the year though. Still, I expect that the carp would act like trout do. Sit in the calm parts and wait for the food to come past. Then just nip out and grab some. Like Bears beside a cycle path....

Wow. 140m... We've been discussing making a bait boat, but if I'm going to do it, I want to do it properly with redundant systems as I'm going to have a fair investment in one and we're not taking a recovery boat with us. One provision if I ever make one will be a 12 volt car windscreen washer motor so that I can piddle a ten foot stream onto on the dragon boaters that get too close. I've had 300 metres of 100lb braid turn up. I think it's a big much for fishing use but there's 200m of 30lb and 500 of 40lb stuff turning up shortly, so there will be something to suit the bill. I've just been reading about shock leaders and I think that that's a FINE idea. There is a way of turning the spod around so that it winds in nicely, but I have a sneaking suspicion that when I remove the sinker assist it won't be taking underwater soil samples any more. Digging trenches will probably disturb the wildlife.

Damn. I had the point marked with google maps but obviously didn't insert it. But terminology should give it away really. One end would be the Inlet, the other would be the outlet.... I've also caught carp on fly steve. But with bead head Tom Jones. I've got bread flies but have never used them. If I bait with real corn, it's really crossing the line.

I've been told that the spillway and inlets produce feeding areas and that outside McDonalds is favourable as previously mentioned. My most productive fishing anywhere was at the inlet of Isabella Pond. After any rain, you can float single corn kernels into the main part of the pond on 1kg line in with the inflow. It was in warmer weather, but the "let the food come to you" principle should hold firm in the cold as well. I just realised that I should be able to do that even better with a fly line. Now I've got something to try out. I think that I'll be shot on sight if the fly fishermen catch me presenting corn on a fly line though..

One of the more fun things that I've tried out lately is the use of a spod. Of course, if you mention one in an Australian tackle shop, they look at you like you've just announced that Kyle Sandilands is your deportment teacher. Still, after watching a few videos, it looked and sounded like the way to go for dumping burley into what looked like a good spot. Ebay once again provided a cheap pair of examples so while I wait for my braid to turn up, the general purpose indestructo-rod was spooled with some 20lb mono. Mono with any kind of memory makes feature finding and depth gauging a problem, if not damn impossible. The line refuses to easily go back towards the sinker ring at anything but the closest distances, so we gave that away and started lobbing the spod towards where we knew there was some clear lake bed to see if we could attract and hold some interested carpzillas. But hey, it's winter and they might have been off watching the soccer, but it was worth a try. So, what to put in it? Wandering through the supermarket before heading out, I'd decided that some cheap cat food biscuits might do the trick. This is based on it being used in a few different mixes for all sorts of things and with carp being seemingly attracted to most organic content to a certain extent, we figured that we couldn't go too far wrong. As it turns out, we were.. We had some generic chook pellets infused with eau de aniseed, some bread crumbs, powdered cheese, oats and anything else that was out of date in my mates pantry. I was tempted to try crushed up Oreos too, but we gave the last one to the water rat, who seem very appreciative. Our first attempts were serious failures with the cat food. So we threw a sinker on the line behind the spod. Then I realised that that wouldn't work as it would slide away from it. Mistakenly believing that it MIGHT get away with it, I tied a figure 8 knot in the line. This might be interesting, but what did I have to lose? This modification turned the spod 180 degrees from the re-entry angle pretty quickly. But when it was reeled in, the catfood still filled it. Hmmm. .... Hang on a minute.. A handful of pussy purina in the water quickly ascertained that nothing short of concrete shoes would make this stuff sink. It would actually be helping the spod float. So, so much for first choices. The chook pellets did the trick though but we decided to run some controls right next to the bank as we had about two feet of water we could clearly see. The breadcrumbs weren't much chop. As you'd expect, they swelled and stayed in the spod like it was a Darwin lawn party with too much beer. Of course mixing the small stuff with different particulate would help things get out, but we were after ease of use. Oats worked quite well, if not slowly. I thought for sure that it would turn to glue, but they dropped out in a steady trickle. Before long, there were piles of stuff on the lake floor and the swans were getting harder to discourage from limboing under the braid to see just what the hell we were doing. During the experimentation, we were also lobbing little charges of the chicken pellets out into the general direction. Once I had the feel of about the amount of effort required, I clipped the line and found that I could just hit the clip before splashdown with most casts. Earlier on, we had discovered that low branches and spod launching isn't a good mix. The confidence of missing encouraged me to not pay so much attention. Fluro Orange plastic spod met Mr tree branch with a rather rude introduction. Thus we invented the mid air burley deployment technique. This will achieve the attraction of carp to not so much a certain square metre as a square mile. It gives you more options in which direction to cast if your accuracy isn't up to snuff. The spod looked like it had suffered some damage, spinning off into the deck like a Soccer player at the World Cup, but unlike a Soccer player, it actually HAD been damaged. In case you're wondering, a spod with three fins flys pretty much as well as one with four. Even without the line attached. And how do I know that? Remember the knot that I hoped I'd get away with? During one launch there was a crack like a whip and I realised quickly that fanning the reel wasn't going to slow this one down as the mono fell through the rod guides in front of me. The spod rocket however was experiencing re-entry. This is how we invented random lake burley bombing. With the standard wrenched end of mono providing evidence that CSI would later use to convict the knot of failure, I knew the folly of my ways. I did tie a stopper knot over it, but it kept slipping... So then it was time to practice some impromptu lure fishing, with a Tassie Devil as a grapnel. With the help of the wind, which was going in the right direction and several fumblings of Tassie Devil treble, the Spod was retrieved. It was good casting practice with my little Diawa Interline rod. I'm confident I could snatch the hat off a Parking Inspector at any distance under 30 metres now. Who's up for some of that? Some of you are thinking "Don't be silly!". Next time you get a ticket, the abhorrence factor will be reduced, believe me. So throughout the day, nothing was caught. But the spod technique was refined. Once you get the feel of how much effort is going to be used so that the line clip doesn't snatch it out of the sky, you should be able to put burley repeatedly in an area the size of Demis Roussos. So surely this is being done by someone else in Australia? Feature finding and spod dropping the target area is just too logical not to be used by someone else?

I think that the best method always is that which is actually armed with information. I have a sneaking suspicion that people who push the "Carp silt up the water" need to have a look in the waters that don't have carp. They're still full of silt. Regardless, you can define what will happen with Carp fishing in Australia by looking at the same thing that happens with every other sport that's popular in other parts of the world. It will be popular here with a small group of enthusiasts. And that's all. Every single argument for carp fishing applies to most other non core activities like model airplane flying, fencing, archery, badminton, pig hunting with spears and wombat wrestling. Fishing for carp as a specialist will always be a subset of fishing in general. What I find REALLY annoying about it in Australia is that I know that the gear exists quite cheaply in other parts of the world. Just not here!

I know that I said that I wouldn't post unless you actually said something worth replying to, but you're actually too much fun to toy with and I've got to kill some time before a busy day. As I predicted keenook, you've failed to address anything set to you so far and it appears that you have a limited understanding of the comprehension of English as well as the spelling of it. "Rant" hey? Well, there's only one person coming close to having a rant at the moment. Why should I repost any pictures? As I've clearly identified before, but apparently you can't manage to figure out, it's against the rules. You can bet against my behaviour if you want, but I've predicted yours with a reasonable accuracy. Anyone reading this thread so far can side with whose opinion they like, but you've come back like a little nancy each time. You have made statements that you are incapable of backing up and you're now failing so badly, that you're trying to draw attention away from that by edging towards abuse. Keep it up. You've managed to throw up decoys and wheedle your way out of the first things in this thread set for you to justify (like explaining how I've humiliated myself), but I'd like to continually point you back to what you're incapable of. Seeing you try to run away from it is amusing, but it's common behaviour of little self righteous megalomaniacs. Your last post even has dead metaphors in it that actually explain nothing while giving you again the hope of sounding like you're actually providing something. So I'm sad now too? Would you like to explain how you've come to this conclusion? But you won't because you can't. If things go the way that they usually do, you'll keep avoiding any direct requirement for justifying anything that you've previously said and throw more and more pointless accusations out as I add to the list of things that you're incapable of doing. You'll probably keep referring to photos of dead carp as that's your only hope to trying to stir up public opinion against me. You're losing and you appear to be able to identify that. You're incapable of addressing any rational debate and you continue to demonstrate that. You've no concept of how "Good Day" is used in Australia either. So please, continue. Show anyone who reads through this how to lose it and start getting abusive. You're just not capable of anything else and that's very clear. I'm surprised that you can bait a hook without stabbing yourself to death with it.

Hey, that's up to you and I'll support your choice. I've fished all over the USA and I was very careful with the beautiful rainbows, browns and brook trout that I caught there. All fish in their natural environment are a resource to be looked after. It's just a cultural thing. If it comes to choosing between our native animals and introduced ones, you need to decide what you value more. What do you guys think about Australians shooting Foxes? In the last few years since natural skins have become unfashionable, people have stopped hunting foxes in Australia. I have seen them crossing roads at night 4 miles from the center of our capital city. I see them killed on the roads. They've virtually eradicated some of the smaller native animals in some parts of Australia. How about rabbits? I had a pet rabbit. It was the softest fur I've ever felt. But I'll happily see them fumigated in their burrows by the thousand. An Archery club central to Canberra has had over 100 rabbits counted in less than a minute by one guy holding a weak torch. Rabbits have almost totally transformed the landscape in some areas of Australia. Barren. I didn't believe it until I saw it myself. I've had cats most of my life, yet tame and stray cats do incredible damage to our wildlife. I've shot many of them by spotlight at night. My cats lived totally indoors to the point of having agoraphobia. Australia has feral dogs, goats, pigs, camels, cattle, donkeys, toads, ants, birds, horses, plants and fish. All of them have characteristics which make them dominant in their environment. An environment that isn't very robust. Many places in Australia aren't much chop and it doesn't take too much effort to push them to the point where nothing lives there. If you truly care about animals and the environment, you have to make choices that aren't emotionally based. I like bunnies. They're great pets but I accept that they've devastating to the environment AND to other animals. People from other parts of the world just can't comprehend that things are different in odd ways here. What Australians take for granted, other people find astounding. I have an English friend who was struck speechless by the sight of endless flat plain coming over a ridge in one of our major roads. So if I was to tell you that the Australia's CSIRO had some scientists that have located a fish in The Gambia which seems particularly effective at eating carp eggs, what would you think? It could potentially destroy all carp in Australia. We could have our waterways full of the legendary huge Murray Cod that make the biggest carp look like goldfish. We'd all have to buy reels with bigger drags and more line capacity. We know that carp have displaced our native fish. So if this Gambian fish catches on here, it will be a considerable period of time, but it should thin things out a bit. Of course, Australia has had some absolute disasters introducing animals to control other animals. Just mention "Cane toad". But we've also had incredible successes too, with the cactoblaster moth, without which, Australia would be covered in prickly pear plants. If this Gambian fish got let loose in Europe and quickly devastated the carp population by nom nom nomming the carp eggs, would you listen to the Gambians coming over and telling you not to hurt them? No. Of course not. But apparently it's okay for Carp to come over and devastate Australian fish, because you don't give a rats arse about someone else's problems. Is that a balanced viewpoint or is it incredibly narrow minded? Now, nothing would be more fun than to fish for big Carp in Europe. I caught an Alligator in Florida.... but not for very long. But as an environmentalist and not an emotionalist, I have the ability to decide about which is more valuable. I would encourage you all to look after the fish that belong in your country. I will look after the fish that belong in mine. Then one day you might want to come over and catch barramundi while keeping an eye out for those pesky crocodiles that keep eating the german packpackers. And I know what you're thinking. Even if you do happen to know "Can you hold this hook and swim with it to the other side" in German, you're not allowed to livebait fish for crocodiles. But if you come to another country and say "to hell with their stupid rules" I would suggest that you don't take any bubblegum to Singapore. You can probably take your carp rods though. Breaking Australian fishing regulations can and have lead to some very interesting repercussions.

Excellent. Now, if you've got the capacity to go back and actually answer how you feel that I've embarrassed myself, we can get this show on the road. I've expected that you'd fail to do that and I've already remarked upon it. What you'll very likely do now is anything BUT explain your opinions. You've weaselled out of it already and I don't expect that to change. So in terms of debate, you've failed. You'll now offer some excuse and do anything but attempt to answer any previous challenges, including this one. You've also attempted to bring this down into a backseat juvenile atmosphere. In fact, as I've seen this type of defensive retreating tactical disengagement before, I'll just offer this treaty. You can post whatever you like unless you can answer anything I've asked you to so far. Unless you can to the satisfaction of a reasonable man reading this, I won't bother responding to you. That way you can run away, feel like you've had the last word and anyone else reading this will know absolutely that you've waved the white flag of surrender. This would be pretty obvious to anyone reading the thread so far anyway. So feel free to retort with pointlessly because it's obvious that you can't actually handle a real debate. You'll likely prove this in any more posts.

Yep. As I figured. Full of bluff and when called, you retreat into metaphors. Unable to justify opinions and statements and now tries to infer control over the engagement by pretending that failure to engage is the pinnacle of moral high ground. Off you go keenook. You can leave now and pretend that this never happened. Or just stick around and make innane comments that you don't feel compelled to stand by. Carp angler maybe. Able to follow up with a logical argument... not looking particularly hopeful. Run along or I'll ask you to justify something you've said already and it will prove even more embarrassing.

I don't have to ask myself. I removed the picture myself upon consulting the rules. How are your comments valid? You haven't manage to justify them yet. Saying that they're valid is just your opinion. But as I thought and predicted, you can't back them up with any observations. Care to have a go, or just .. try to dance around it? Or are you just not capable? In case you've missed it, that's twice I've inferred that you are incompetent.

Do try to use proper English in your ripostes, thanks. It's "yourself" And are you able to even explain how you consider that I'm humiliating myself? I'll take the bet that you're not and you're hoping that other people might see this with you based on some unsaid expectations.. This is a common tactic when you appeal to the masses with no real justification but feel the need to rise to the occasion. Just back out now and I will forget that this happened. Does "Nuff said" mean that you're not capable or that you think that will stop the inevitable? If you continue, you'll only have yourself to blame. You've been warned gently. I am not a newb and I love the concept of an internet debate. However, you're not a challenge. But you may serve as an example. Feel like crossing intellectual swords? If you're lucky, the admins will lock the thread to save you.

In all the forums that I am a member of around the world, there's always someone that I encounter who decides to take the side that you've chosen. So here is your option now and I'll lay it out very simply for you. Do you want to be humiliated? If so, please keep posting in the same vein. But I'll respond now lightly. Of course not, brainiac. Single camera videos in High Definition wide angle that show the action after the hook up, to the first swirl in the water and the carp getting netted. Combine this with limited space and the prospect of dropping the camera into the water and it makes it rather entertaining. Videos of carp lying on the bank would be as entertaining as.. well your posts in this thread so far. Just remember that "new member" doesn't mean "New to the internet" or "new to handing out bitchslaps to people who want to act like petty tyrants"

No problem! As long as I stay out of trouble I'll do some more write ups! We might even be radical enough to put our adventures on youtube..

It appears that in having another check of the rules, photos aren't allowed and people do tend to get somewhat upset. I can understand that in other countries carp are catch and release. In fact, in the ACT, it's one of the few places that don't forbid it, which is why the coarse fishing championships are held here. We should see what the New Zealanders think of our Possums being over there too. As we have been adopting some of the other more well known carp fishing tactics, I was wondering if anyone bothers to map out their casts with their successful positions noted?

The 26th of this month was Full Moon night. It had also rained. My machinist fishing buddy had made up our bite detector / rod holders and my brand new rod had an oversized new baitrunner reel which is a little bit heavy for it. But never mind. So we decided after the first attempt gave us so much fun on a full moon night, we'd aim for another. Nothing exotic in terms of bait, but the best we'd pulled out of the lake so far was a 3.8kg fish. We're teching up at the moment. Bite detectors, accurate digital scales, bait theory and tactics. We've also started plotting our casts based on estimated distances and landmarks. I had elected to give my fishing buddy the previously most productive side with the weeds and deeper water. Brendan had made up an experimental burley which he lobbed into the target area in squash ball sized clumps. He also rigged up his own idea flotation bait. Fifteen minutes after his rig splashed down, the bite detector played a quick AC/DC guitar riff to "Thunderstruck" with an accompanying seizure inducing, flashing blue light show and the game was on. Shortly after this, we noted some of the disadvantages of having limited space and multiple lines out. I broke out the Kodak Zi8 and with the soundtrack full of me laughing over the drag being taken out, Brendan fought something that he thought was reasonably powerful. It was as resistant to leaving the water as Kevin Rudd was to leaving the top job. It's eyes would have been slightly wetter too, but not by much. Some five minutes later, I barely got it into the landing net. Trusty Coles budget bread was doing the magic this time around. A quick weigh in within the net said just over 6kg, so we did the dance of the Personal Best fish while an Indian looking chap came over to see what the celebration was about. After watching us sit around doing not much, I suppose the transformation was interesting. Having topped my stated best carp out of this lake and his biggest carp yet, Brendan sat back and was quite happy. He was running 6lb line. Then not much happened for a while until my new rod on it's bite detector had a short run. I'd spooled it up with some light platypus 4kg mono which I'd bought because I wasn't paying attention and thought it was 4lb. Maybe it was a good thing. Whatever it was, had eaten twelve weetbix for breakfast and was harder to steer around than a coles shopping trolley on an ice skating rink. It also tested the drag several times. When the proton energy pill ran out about seven minutes later, I had my own 70cm carp in the net. And the weight.... 200 grams more than the other one. Yay for digital accuracy! So two PB fish in the same outing. Both of us were so chuffed, we could have gone home then and there. But conditions were good, so we stuck around. Quite a while later, my little Diawa Interline started shaking and what I had figured for barely a 2kg fish weighed in at 4.46kg. Maybe it had been out for a run and was having a bread nibble before bed? Regardless, the lake turned it on for us. A 5.64kg, 5.84kg and 4.46kg was a worthwhile effort. Now we're going to try marker floats and spods. There's definately something to the burleying. So why not exploit prior knowledge?