Lumeymorris Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 ??Anyone got any experience with using king prawn boilies through winter?? I've been using this boilies throughout the year and have one of my best years of fishing. But however I've never fished through the winter and this year I wanted to give it a try but been doing some reading and a few say that Ishmael don't quite work as good through the winter and yet others say they do leaving me a bit unsure weather to stick or twist with what's been working really well or go for a more fruity option. As two not Saturday just gone but one before that I was using king prawns on a overnighter and landed a 34lb,19.5lb,13lb. When no one else was catching so the bait works on that venue but will it when the going gets though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscsha Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 There's only one way to find out , let us kn ow how you get on Ghost hunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Fishmeals do work in winter, every bit as well as in summer. The theory is that due to oil content the fish struggle to digest fishmeals in cold water. That only becomes an issue if you feed heavily as part of a campaign. If you put a fishmeal bait in front of a feeding fish in cold water you'll get the same action you would from using a bridfood or nutmeal bait. If you're doing a full on campaign you can either reduce the amount of the fishmeal bait going in or switich to a different type of bait. hutch and B.C. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkitson Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yeah exactly! I've always found this. It's so routine now to want a different bait in the winter without fish meals, how about just feed less!? Does the same job. Yeah oily pellets or very high oil boillies may not be ideal in really cold water, but a winterised version of a recognised fish meal bait will always imo out fish a new bait on the short term. For me, a new bait should be established when feeding activity is high. By the time you need it it's too late. Reduced amounts of a tweaked version of what they are used to is always going to win for me. B.C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumeymorris Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think I'm going to stay with them and do as suggested and use less. So for my next question when(time of year) is it roughly that I should be cutting down on the bait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muftyboy Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I'd say not yet. The weather is still warm . The water Temps are still warm. Unless carp are programmed by daylight and not Temps I'd carry on what you are doing for now. I'm fishing right now and I'm in a tshirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumeymorris Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Cheers guys helpful as always!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkitson Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think I'm going to stay with them and do as suggested and use less. So for my next question when(time of year) is it roughly that I should be cutting down on the bait? Take water temps in a few places each time you visit. Thermoclines and moving warm / colder water can affect this, but as a general rule, as the overall average water temp drops and stays low the fish will slow down and eat less. salokcinnodrog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Take water temps in a few places each time you visit. Thermoclines and moving warm / colder water can affect this, but as a general rule, as the overall average water temp drops and stays low the fish will slow down and eat less. I believe that is very rare for a genuine thermocline to be in normal UK carp lakes, the waters simply aren't deep enough, although I can't remember at what depths they begin or end. If the bait is working, keep on using it. I know Crafty King Prawn does contain milk proteins along with a fishmeal, so carry on with it, just remember to drop the amounts as the fish slow down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I believe that is very rare for a genuine thermocline to be in normal UK carp lakes, the waters simply aren't deep enough, although I can't remember at what depths they begin or end. . I'm not normally one to pull people up on things but do you have any evidence to back that up as it is totally contradicting about three different articles that I have read recently on the subject Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkitson Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I believe that is very rare for a genuine thermocline to be in normal UK carp lakes, the waters simply aren't deep enough, although I can't remember at what depths they begin or end. There are no "depths". Top third, middle third, and bottom third, broadly speaking. Even an inch of water can be decided into thirds. Shallower the water, more disrupted they are by water movement etc, but I can assure you, in any more than 3 feet of lake water temp bands come into play, hence, zigs working in winter/spring, pike anglers presenting baits in the middle third (cause that's where the bait fish sit) What's even more key is the temp point that the bottom and top layer switch places in terms of being the warmer/colder, and how the various temps affect oxygen content which affects digestion and appetite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkitson Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I'm not normally one to pull people up on things but do you have any evidence to back that up as it is totally contradicting about three different articles that I have read recently on the subject Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's the problem with anything presented that starts with "I believe" is that it's not a fact. spr1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkitson Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 A lot of how thermocline a affect how warmer and colder water move up and down, where the temps are warmer or even just more stable, and where the oxygen rich water is affects the fish more than the overall temp. It is also affected by other stuff. Weed, leaves, wind etc. Really interesting subject. Definitely relevant to carp fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Well since you ask, and being as I said 'I believe': http://www.carpology.net/articles/features/understanding-thermoclines And then from Anglers forum around 2006: http://www.theanglersforum.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-53295.html I often use I believe for a good reason, it gives room for debate, where I may actually know the answer, the I believe is so I am not putting myself as a know all, even if I do B.C., hnv and spr1985 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Apologies if I came across rude mate it wasn't intended that way, I was genuinely interested in your view/opinion Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Apologies if I came across rude mate it wasn't intended that way, I was genuinely interested in your view/opinion Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You didn't come across as rude Some of it is so much information running around my head, I can't recall straight away Much of it was I couldn't remember how big a water needed to be to get a thermocline, around 200 acres, and the depths needed. I have actually been swimming in some deep waters, and you can feel the warmer and colder areas, they do not mix straight away, nor do they cool or warm at the same rate across a water. Even a small body of water, like your bath you always get a cold patch around your nether regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spr1985 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Fair play mate, it is very interesting, I tried to do some more reading last night but had a few ciders and needed an early night ready for today's session Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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