yonny Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I posted this on another forum but they're all too busy chatting about shelters, luggage, blooming bivvy lights/water carriers/tackle trays etc.... stuff that has absolutely zero influence on actually catching carp... yet a hook with a new sharpening process, probably THE most important item regards catching, got no interest whatsoever. So what do you guys think? Eagle Claw Lazer Trokar hooks..... Gimmick or genuine advance in hook technology? Looks good but so can anything with a marketing budget thrown at itDiscuss.http://www.reubenheaton.co.uk/lazer-trokar.asphttp://www.reubenheaton.co.uk/listprod1-trokar.asp?sect_id=285&title=Single%20Hooks%20-%20Specialist%20CarpThe video is well dodgy, proper American..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Looks a similar point profile I try to achieve when sharpening my hooks ...when I get it right! . Probably worth a closer look in my mind yonny. nealjt and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Wouldn't hurt to give em a test period . Bet their expensive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Looks a similar point profile I try to achieve when sharpening my hooks ...when I get it right! . Same here Chillfactor!! Wouldn't hurt to give em a test period . Bet their expensive . 6 quid a pack which is pricey... but... if it means they're sharp enough out of the packet vs. spending 5 mins sharpening each hook manually I'd be prepared to pay it. I ordered a pack of each in the curve and chod patterns. Will provided feedback. snoozer and nealjt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Same here Chillfactor!! 6 quid a pack which is pricey... but... if it means they're sharp enough out of the packet vs. spending 5 mins sharpening each hook manually I'd be prepared to pay it. I ordered a pack of each in the curve and chod patterns. Will provided feedback. Of the same thinking mate as usual.... plus the odd hook I mess up trying to get it just right it won't work out any dearer tbf . What made you aim at the curve as I know it's not a pattern you would normally use ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno86 Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 i read an aritcle on these, ill be giving them a go. yonny and spr1985 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 it won't work out any dearer tbf . For sure. Also, I don't mind spending a little more on things that can actually lead to more fish on the bank (as opposed to things that make people look good on the bank lol). What made you aim at the curve as I know it's not a pattern you would normally use ? I've been playing around with a new rig recently which needs a curve shank. Still in its infancy at the mo but looking promising. I was using an Atomic Trappa but thought it can't hurt to take a look at these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Link to a pdf about these: http://www.reubenheaton.co.uk/info_/Trokar%20carp%20Presentation%20non%20agent%20Public%20only.pdf nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Not watched the vid as am at work, but the guys name is Swindle! Made me chuckle yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 i really enjoy sharpening my own hooks, exactly as the trokar ones are done actually. i get a lot of satisfaction too when i land a fish and see that the hook has performed perfectly and as it should do so strangely enough a hook that does not need my little bit of input would bore me. for those reasons alone i'm out yonny and nealjt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Will defo be watching out for reviews on these. If they are that good then I'll give them a try. Especially in barbless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 i really enjoy sharpening my own hooks, exactly as the trokar ones are done actually. i get a lot of satisfaction too when i land a fish and see that the hook has performed perfectly and as it should do so strangely enough a hook that does not need my little bit of input would bore me. for those reasons alone i'm out 5 years ago I would've wholeheartedly agreed with that fella, but tbh nowadays it does my head in having to sharpen hooks. By the time you've sharpened your 1000th hook it just becomes boring IMO. As you will know, once you've seen just how sharp hooks can be made with a little attention, it becomes impossible to chuck out a hook straight from the packet. I'm praying these Trokar things will spell the end of sharpening for me (although I have to say I suspect I'll be disappointed ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 The order has been shipped so hope to receive them today/tomorrow. nealjt and cyborx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 The video is well dodgy, proper American.....[/font][/size] That advert makes me realise we don't have it that bad with the likes of promo kings Nash and korda etc!! Watching that I feel like I could defeat the whole of ISIS with just a hook [emoji23] I'm interested that they compare it to a syringe having read a triangular point is far superior to penetrate skin, my worry would be that I'd be expecting literal syringe sharpness so would probably end up dissapointed. Yonny - knowing your background in metal work I eagerly await your review! Looks like my list of things to buy will be getting longer this month!!! As an after thought I'd be interested to see how they sharpen up after some use as well. Could be a winner yonny and chillfactor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 That advert makes me realise we don't have it that bad with the likes of promo kings Nash and korda etc!! Watching that I feel like I could defeat the whole of ISIS with just a hook [emoji23] nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) they compare it to a syringe having read a triangular point is far superior to penetrate skin, my worry would be that I'd be expecting literal syringe sharpness so would probably end up dissapointed. If you believe what you read they're using the same sharpening process used for syringes so we should very much expect comparable results. Syringes are manufactured in similar qty's to hooks too (i.e. loads 'n loads) so my initial doubts about process control for mass production could be unfounded. However, syringes are manufactured from stainless steel, not carbon steel, like hooks. I don't really know what impact, if any, this will have (my expertise is in metal forming and finishing, not sharpening). The blurb about the special material is complete rubbish - all they have to do get away with that statement is reduce or increase the specified acceptable level of a single none critical chemical element by 0.001% and they're effectively using a 'special' material where in reality it's completely standard. Never the less, the sharpening process excites me. Yonny - knowing your background in metal work I eagerly await your review! I'll be going to town on these fella, don't you worry! As an after thought I'd be interested to see how they sharpen up after some use as well. Could be a winner Likewise - I find hooks that see no action need touching up after 24 hrs submerged so that interests me too. Edited July 28, 2016 by yonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 OK, so they arrived. Initial impressions: They are sharper than your average hook, no doubt. But, I can see under X 10 magnification that they're still not sharp enough. Of the 10 chod hooks, I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Try again..... OK, so they arrived. Initial impressions: They are sharper than your average hook, no doubt. But, I can see under X 10 magnification that they're still not sharp enough. Of the 10 chod hooks, I wouldn't cast any out with no sharpening, of the 10 curve shanks 2 look very, very sharp indeed (maybe sharp enough to fish with). They are inconsistent, the shape of the hookpoints and particularly the ground flats differ. 2 of the chod hooks are miss-shaped over the ground flats (but still look pretty sharp). The finish (colour/texture) doesn't look fantastic but that's not a massive concern for me. The end of the wire at the eye of the hook is sealed with epoxy - this looks fantastic, and is very consistent. All hooks are 'sticky' sharp. All pass the nail test. But, I can see they're not quite up to the standard I require. When I get home I'll have a look under X20 magnification and update. They do look like a quick brush of the sharpening stone will get them absolutely perfect. chillfactor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Have you ever had any of your hooks sharpened "professionally" Yonny ? I like to give my hooks a little sharpen,and after practice got quite good at it...... Or so I thought !! Was fishing a hard water in France this year,a one bite water,so to speak so decided to pay to get someone to sharpen my hooks,I use twisters a lot on my bottom baits and pop ups so got a pkt sharpened and at £11 a pkt they wernt cheap,but,tge difference from what I can achieve to what a pro can is amazing..... I've tried to get older hooks up to there standerd and can't get near. I still sharpen my own hooks but if I was ever fishing a special venue or specific fish I wouldn't hesitate to get more of these sharpened hooks. They really was surgically sharp ! yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I have indeed. i would put my own up against the ones you pay for any day. I've been doing it a fair while though..... spr1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Just a thought,if you was after a silly sharp hook,mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Try again..... OK, so they arrived. Initial impressions: They are sharper than your average hook, no doubt. But, I can see under X 10 magnification that they're still not sharp enough. Of the 10 chod hooks, I wouldn't cast any out with no sharpening, of the 10 curve shanks 2 look very, very sharp indeed (maybe sharp enough to fish with). They are inconsistent, the shape of the hookpoints and particularly the ground flats differ. 2 of the chod hooks are miss-shaped over the ground flats (but still look pretty sharp). The finish (colour/texture) doesn't look fantastic but that's not a massive concern for me. The end of the wire at the eye of the hook is sealed with epoxy - this looks fantastic, and is very consistent. All hooks are 'sticky' sharp. All pass the nail test. But, I can see they're not quite up to the standard I require. When I get home I'll have a look under X20 magnification and update. They do look like a quick brush of the sharpening stone will get them absolutely perfect. Keep us posted on performance please mate nealjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonny Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Keep us posted on performance please mate There'll be other updates before they go anywhere near the pond fella. Just had them sectioned/mounted and hardness tested in my lab. They come out at approximately HV 670 which is very hard, yet not hard enough to be brittle, which is very promising indeed. No signs of decarburisation, they are heat treated very well. nealjt, kevtaylor and chillfactor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealjt Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Yonny - that is brilliant!! Most check their hooks with a couple of pricks to their hands or nails... you check them in a laboratory!!! That is so cool!! kevtaylor and yonny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborx Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Yonny - that is brilliant!! Most check their hooks with a couple of pricks to their hands or nails... you check them in a laboratory!!! That is so cool!! there is absolutely nothing i could say to add to that yonny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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