Trout pellet problems and ill informed anglers.

[tonybranno]

Ok this isnt a question that i need answering i just thought i would share this mind bogglingly stupid practice with you guys about a carp angler that i know and what he does when using trout pellets.

 

This particular angler was fishing one of the lakes that belong to The Pride of Derby and he was using the cheap "should be banned" high oil trout pellets, you know the ones where you can get a 25kg sack for a fiver. Anyway when he uses them he advocates glugging these pellets in oil before he uses them and claims he can get through a 25kg sack in 24 hours fishing

 

Now even though im very interested in bait, i dont claim to be that clued up on it but glugging cheap high oil pellets in more oil before use is just totally irresponsible and i told this guy that

 

What an absolute idiot!

[still_waiting]

I'd be surprised if the entire lake surface wasn't covered by a slick!!

 

Apart from the nutritional issues you'd have low water oxygen levels.

 

Hope this guys claims are just BS - are the fishery owners or EA aware of this?

[ozric]

Think "still waiting" has the right idea about a word with the owners/leaseholders ear. Might result in a blanket ban on pellets though, some clubs are very reactionary, but if matey is advocating sticking in those quantities in, there could be others prepared to do the same.

[salokcinnodrog]

Trout pellets on there own in excess are a risk to Carp, but to add additional oil is just plain stupid and irresponsible.

 

I know that there was a link put up explaining the Risks of Trout Pellets an Article by Dr. Bruno Broughton, a Fishery Biologist.

 

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/bruno14.htm

 

Think "still waiting" has the right idea about a word with the owners/leaseholders ear. Might result in a blanket ban on pellets though, some clubs are very reactionary, but if matey is advocating sticking in those quantities in, there could be others prepared to do the same.

 

Unfortunately I have seen Match and Carp Anglers put in a whole bag at a time.

[mendy]

i now make sure i use carp pellets

[tonybranno]

Think "still waiting" has the right idea about a word with the owners/leaseholders ear. Might result in a blanket ban on pellets though, some clubs are very reactionary, but if matey is advocating sticking in those quantities in, there could be others prepared to do the same.

 

Thing is though Oz he also said that some anglers on the same lake used to use cattle feed pellets and pig swill Now im not daft but ive never heard of these being used for carp feed and before anyone says anything he wasnt feeding me a line, he was being genuinely serious.

[poacherb]

Im not saying this pellet bloke is right in what he's doing with all that oil but i think if you knew the original use some of these pellets were meant for you would think twice about using half the pellets on the market alot of these so called fast breakdown pellets are various kinds of animal feed are they any good for carp?are the ingredients used to make these pellets suitable for feeding fish?

[salokcinnodrog]

Im not saying this pellet bloke is right in what he's doing with all that oil but i think if you knew the original use some of these pellets were meant for you would think twice about using half the pellets on the market alot of these so called fast breakdown pellets are various kinds of animal feed are they any good for carp?are the ingredients used to make these pellets suitable for feeding fish?

 

Some of the various Animal Feed Pellets are dangerous for Carp.

 

Ewe Pencils for Pregnant Sheep may have an excess of Copper in them, Sugar Beet Pellets, read the Sticky at the top of the Bait and Bait Making.

Some of the Pig Feeds have a large amount of Steroids in them to speed up Pig Growth for the Table quicker. Ok Pigs are mostly only farmed for the Table, but there are early deaths from "unknown" causes. If its killing Pigs then the same feed cannot be good for Carp. We all know the risks of using Steroids in Humans.

A Maggot Farmer in Suffolk was using Pig Flesh for Maggot Breeding. The Maggots he was producing were twice the size of maggots fed on Fish or Chicken Flesh

 

The other thing that people may not realise is that an excess of some Minerals can be Poisonous. We have a basic requirement for Vitamins and Minerals, yet to go past that to excess can be dangerous.

Iron, Zinc, Iodine, Sodium (Salt), and Copper

 

Now I'm not saying that we should only Buy Pellets from the Tackle Shops, I don't, they can be too costly. Yet every time I buy Pellets from an Animal Feed Supplier I ask for the Data Sheets on the Pellets I buy, with a full list of ingredients, Nutritional Values etc, which all reputable Suppliers will be only too happy to do.

 

I did get some Pig Pellets years ago (early 90's) that were Rapid Breakdown Fishmeal Pellets, even then I was checking the Data Sheets on suitability, and testing them before I used them as Groundbait or even grinding them down and using them in Base Mixes.

 

The other thing about buying pellets from Tackle Shops is that they can be pellets bought direct from an Animal Feed supplier and re-packaged or weighed and sold neat. How long have these pellets been in the shop?

Has the Oil gone rancid?

Are they Trout, Coarse, Salmon or Halibut? Even CSL Pellets could just be Ewe/Sheep Pencils re-branded.

 

Its far better if not sure on Pellets to buy those specifically designed for Carp and Coarse Fish!

[courtz]

Think "still waiting" has the right idea about a word with the owners/leaseholders ear. Might result in a blanket ban on pellets though, some clubs are very reactionary, but if matey is advocating sticking in those quantities in, there could be others prepared to do the same.

 

Thing is though Oz he also said that some anglers on the same lake used to use cattle feed pellets and pig swill Now im not daft but ive never heard of these being used for carp feed and before anyone says anything he wasnt feeding me a line, he was being genuinely serious.

 

Could of been talking about CSL pellets? Another animal feed used in the carp industry

[windrusher]

Im not saying this pellet bloke is right in what he's doing with all that oil but i think if you knew the original use some of these pellets were meant for you would think twice about using half the pellets on the market alot of these so called fast breakdown pellets are various kinds of animal feed are they any good for carp?are the ingredients used to make these pellets suitable for feeding fish?

 

Some of the various Animal Feed Pellets are dangerous for Carp.

 

Ewe Pencils for Pregnant Sheep may have an excess of Copper in them, Sugar Beet Pellets, read the Sticky at the top of the Bait and Bait Making.

Some of the Pig Feeds have a large amount of Steroids in them to speed up Pig Growth for the Table quicker. Ok Pigs are mostly only farmed for the Table, but there are early deaths from "unknown" causes. If its killing Pigs then the same feed cannot be good for Carp. We all know the risks of using Steroids in Humans.

A Maggot Farmer in Suffolk was using Pig Flesh for Maggot Breeding. The Maggots he was producing were twice the size of maggots fed on Fish or Chicken Flesh

 

The other thing that people may not realise is that an excess of some Minerals can be Poisonous. We have a basic requirement for Vitamins and Minerals, yet to go past that to excess can be dangerous.

Iron, Zinc, Iodine, Sodium (Salt), and Copper

 

Now I'm not saying that we should only Buy Pellets from the Tackle Shops, I don't, they can be too costly. Yet every time I buy Pellets from an Animal Feed Supplier I ask for the Data Sheets on the Pellets I buy, with a full list of ingredients, Nutritional Values etc, which all reputable Suppliers will be only too happy to do.

 

I did get some Pig Pellets years ago (early 90's) that were Rapid Breakdown Fishmeal Pellets, even then I was checking the Data Sheets on suitability, and testing them before I used them as Groundbait or even grinding them down and using them in Base Mixes.

 

The other thing about buying pellets from Tackle Shops is that they can be pellets bought direct from an Animal Feed supplier and re-packaged or weighed and sold neat. How long have these pellets been in the shop?

Has the Oil gone rancid?

Are they Trout, Coarse, Salmon or Halibut? Even CSL Pellets could just be Ewe/Sheep Pencils re-branded.

 

Its far better if not sure on Pellets to buy those specifically designed for Carp and Coarse Fish!

 

Just for clarity; the usage of steroid growth promoters in pigs was banned in the early 70's. And usage of antibiotic growth promoters for all animals was outlawed on 31/12/2005.

 

It is still possible to have meds as an infeed inclusion (wormers, antibiotics to treat a specific ailment, zinc oxide to prevent scouring), but these all require a vetinary prescription - so can not be bought over the counter from your local farm supplier.

 

All that said, I'd very much encourage erring on the side of caution when using any unknown products, especially if designed for a totally different species of animal.

That and like us, most fish require a varied diet to provide them with all their nutritional needs - so too much of a singular food type WILL eventually leads to malnutrition.

 

It needs adding, that at least the animal feed industry has full transparency and traceability - shame we can't say the same of the fishing bait industry!