dollydumptruck Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 hi all/ i did a little experiment on bite indication on my fishery. i use a pod mostly and lead clips, i usually fish semi slack lines with slight drop on bobbins, and always with a back lead. i was putting my usual set up, against a running inline setup. the results shocked me. i walked the lead systems down the bank 50yards, and put them side by side. i was able to move the fixew lead system around 7-8 feet in all directions, without a single bleep on the alarms.however the running lead system gave indications on the alarms after only 4-5 inches. i know which 1 ill be using from now on your thoughts most welcome cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Simples! Running leads and slack lines Have a look at https://forum.carp.com/topic/20857-running-rigs/?hl=%2Brunning+%2Bleads#entry249447and also go down to past hot topics to 'tight versus slack lines' thread. You may find them interesting, as I think would a search for any of th running lead threads. I'd add the links, but with the ipad with multiple pages open it kept on returning to the header page of this thread and deleting the links I had added dalthegooner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnplumb Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 hi all/ i did a little experiment on bite indication on my fishery. i use a pod mostly and lead clips, i usually fish semi slack lines with slight drop on bobbins, and always with a back lead. i was putting my usual set up, against a running inline setup. the results shocked me. i walked the lead systems down the bank 50yards, and put them side by side. i was able to move the fixew lead system around 7-8 feet in all directions, without a single bleep on the alarms.however the running lead system gave indications on the alarms after only 4-5 inches. i know which 1 ill be using from now on your thoughts most welcome cheers You will find that line in water will act very differently to just being sat on the ground , there are loads of threads on lead set ups and loads of varying opinions , have a search . carpmachine, dalthegooner and newmarket 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Are you using backleads ALL the time for any particular reason? I have found backleads always impede bite indication a bit, and I use running rigs unless the situation calls for different set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Does anyone use a back lead when really they'd prefer not to? I mean, I fished one Thursday because there was too much risk of a fish on the other rod running through the line at the net. Not sure the answer otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Does anyone use a back lead when really they'd prefer not to? I mean, I fished one Thursday because there was too much risk of a fish on the other rod running through the line at the net. Not sure the answer otherwise? I fished FLYING backleads years ago when fishing tightish lines in an attempt to create a "safe" zone around my end tackle but I don't really know whether it really acheived anything and I don't need to worry now as i fish slack Never really understood the theory behind standard backleads tbh , always seems like an angle in the mainline that may or may not hinder bite indication . I'm sure other members will have done tests proving or disproving the theory . I definitley wouldn't use one with a lead clip set up . The Carp can move my rig far enough with no indication already :) without helping em . As for merely keeping the other rods line out of harms way , I just play and steer the fish away and land it elsewhere rather than in my pod/bankstick area . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Alright Tim. Yeah i agree from a recent experience that a backlead seems to hinder indication. Trouble is I was fishing one rod only a few rod lengths out, so a fish near the bank had loads of fight left in it. Swim was narrow and Couldn't guarantee I could keep fish away if it ran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I fished FLYING backleads years ago when fishing tightish lines in an attempt to create a "safe" zone around my end tackle but I don't really know whether it really acheived anything and I don't need to worry now as i fish slack Never really understood the theory behind standard backleads tbh , always seems like an angle in the mainline that may or may not hinder bite indication . I'm sure other members will have done tests proving or disproving the theory . I definitley wouldn't use one with a lead clip set up . The Carp can move my rig far enough with no indication already :) without helping em . As for merely keeping the other rods line out of harms way , I just play and steer the fish away and land it elsewhere rather than in my pod/bankstick area . I tried back leads years ago myself, and actually found more problems if a fish ran through a back leaded line while playing it. The back lead would often end tangled up around the line I was playing the fish on, answer was avoid back leads, and if a fish ran through the other (tight) line(s), work out whether over or under and move accordingly, rod under the other rod occasionally.I do occasionally use a bit of putty above or at the top of the tubing if using it to make sure that the last bit of line is pinned down near the end tackle. A decent sized run ring will also slide over it! Since fishing running leads I don't worry about fish picking up the other line. I actually play fish from the side of the take, or if the middle rod, step into the gap between the two outer rods and play from there. I also take the landing net with me, and often have the pole resting against my non rod arm shoulder or even against the outer rod as I play a fish. Sounds strange, but I can reel in around the landing net pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 totally agree with you there CM! I'd never use a backlead unless the situation dictates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 backleads, canal or river, boats boys, or you can lose your tackle. Yeah see what you mean there mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollydumptruck Posted March 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 hi all/ i always use the backleads on the water i fish because 1 = there are swans, geese, grebes ect, but the swans are the worst, especially the younguns, ever since i backleaded, no more bird problem. 2= the water i fish goes from shallow to deep in a short distance, i dont want my line arrowing right thru my swim as i am never fishing more than 50 yards. 3= i have also found i get a better indication in the way i set it up, if after i cast out and sink the line, then drop the backlead right under the rod tip, then set the buttbangers with a small drop, at the same time getting a little tension from rod tip to backlead, so my rods will be slightly bent downwards. this now means my line is under tension from my rig to my alarm. any minute movement at the rig end and i know about it. give it a try you may be surprised i know i was. but it works. cheers all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Fair play if it works for you and you have confidence in it. I've always found that a laser pen gets rid of bird life instantly. They don't return either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Fair play if it works for you and you have confidence in it. I've always found that a laser pen gets rid of bird life instantly. They don't return either. Wait? Humanely? How? Do tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bivvystreet Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Use a laser myself,to be fair when you hook a bird and reel it in from distance I can't imagine it enjoys the experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 So you just shine the laser at its eyes or summit and they spook away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalthegooner Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) ... I've always found that a laser pen gets rid of bird life instantly. They don't return either. Wait? Humanely? How? Do tell... It's attached to the laser sight on a rifle. Pesky birds... Edited March 22, 2015 by dalthegooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bivvystreet Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 So you just shine the laser at its eyes or summit and they spook away?. Not at its eyes just on the water matey,laser pens have been used by different bird enthusiasts for differing reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekskii Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I find just shining it on their body somewhere scares them. works 9/10 the other one they just start pecking it to get rid of it and get so angry they move off from the area to sulk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albionchez Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I always use backleads. I don't find that it hinders bite indication but then How would I know? The lake I fish the majority of the time is quite tight where the swims are concerned so you don't really have the opportunity to play the fish away from the other lines, therefore I find it much better to use backleads. With reference to the post earlier about the Ian Russell video dismissing the slack line theory, there is also a Nash one that does the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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