chillfactor Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Thank you Phil and CM for those explanations , i have read and had it explained to me before only this time i managed to understand So are we saying that we get what we pay for ? Phil , can you use your rods as an example mate ? What can your torrix' acheive that your 2.75 daiwa's couldnt ? I love my 2.75's . I cant imagine my fishing without them tbh and the only thing i wouldnt be confident in would be their ability to cast heavy leads to the horizon . Having said that , somebody with decent technique may be able to , i dont know. Morning Tim to answer your question about what my 3.25 Torrix can do that my 2.75 daiwa rods can't . My daiwa rods have a very tippy action and would load in the cast to early when fishing with bags or big sticks and just felt gutless in the cast as a direct result of the action . Now this obviously doesn't mean all 2.75 rods just the ones I've got . The torrix are far more powerful and can cope with the extra loads also fishing in heavy weed for me having that extra power in reserve is very important , having a big heavy clump of weed + a big fish on the end would quickly see my daiwa rods bottomed out and no power left in the rod to stop the fish if needed or bully it through the weed . Like we have spoke about before after the casting day it's more to do with action than test curve in many cases . I'll hazard a guess that a cheap 3.25 rod or higher will probably feel like a broom handle compared to a high end carbon weave rod . So people need to do there homework rather that just ask what test curve is best , because every rod will feel different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Morning Tim to answer your question about what my 3.25 Torrix can do that my 2.75 daiwa rods can't . My daiwa rods have a very tippy action and would load in the cast to early when fishing with bags or big sticks and just felt gutless in the cast as a direct result of the action . Now this obviously doesn't mean all 2.75 rods just the ones I've got . The torrix are far more powerful and can cope with the extra loads also fishing in heavy weed for me having that extra power in reserve is very important , having a big heavy clump of weed + a big fish on the end would quickly see my daiwa rods bottomed out and no power left in the rod to stop the fish if needed or bully it through the weed . Like we have spoke about before after the casting day it's more to do with action than test curve in many cases . I'll hazard a guess that a cheap 3.25 rod or higher will probably feel like a broom handle compared to a high end carbon weave rod . So people need to do there homework rather that just ask what test curve is best , because every rod will feel different. Thanks Phil . The general picture is very confusing . They should come up with a table or something so that potential customers can see at a glance exactly which blank from which company has Action in such and such a test curve . On similar lines to the tackle box table that shows breaking strain and diameter of mainlines .... I fully understand what a test curve is and how it is calculated but it is NO GUIDE whatsoever as to a rods capabilities is it ? The ONLY way to choose a new rod is to go into the shop and "feel" for yourself . Just wait till the next " which test curve " thread :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Tim, having previously thought I was wrong and then reading the WHOLE article and realising I was right, let me give you the standard guidelines,, a mainline should never exceed 5 times the TC of a rod, that is 3 pound test 15 pound max line, if you need distance with heavy weights then a heavy test curve is required, there is a formula to calculate casting weights for given test curves but I forgot it, short range margin fishing 2.25, up to 50 yards 2.5 , over that distance 2.75, long range where strikes are innefective 3 plus, heavy bolt rigs, above 3 ounce bolts at extreme range, 3.5. hope this helps mate. With which rods though mate ? daiwa , Century , Fox Warriors ? Thats the point , they are all different are they not ? If a 2.75 in rod A has the same action as a 3.25 in rod B its bollocks aint it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatt Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Learned a lot from all this info much more clear to me now.. Im thinking harrison torrix and daiwa longbow or infinty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillfactor Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 My torrix came from Nick buss rod builder ... where are you based tatt ? You could do a lot worse than going to cotswold rods and have a play with some of there rods they also have days where you can try loads of rods out to get a feel for them casting etc you won't hear a bad word said about there work second to none . tatt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnplumb Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 John you abbreviated that article somewhat, having just read the whole article, it admits that method is basically flawed, and right at the end it mentions the forty five degree deflection method as more accurate, hence from a straight line, quarter bend, which is what I said. It mentions the 45 degree method but doesn't say anything about it being more accurate just another idea , from what I can make out the whole test curve thing is a rough guide at best , a little bit like hook sizes they are just numbers on a packet and you cannot assume a size 4 in one packet is the same as another manufacturers size 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatt Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 My torrix came from Nick buss rod builder ... where are you based tatt ? You could do a lot worse than going to cotswold rods and have a play with some of there rods they also have days where you can try loads of rods out to get a feel for them casting etc you won't hear a bad word said about there work second to none . I'm based in a sleepy town called wisbech it's nr Kings Lynn or 20 mins from peterbough. The only tackle shop where there would be a lot of rods on sale is sheltons of peterbough but they seem to sell masses of nash gear. But the daiwa longbow & infinity are on show. But I have seen the harrison torrix on sale with johnston ross £270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massivejim Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Hey lads I'm just looking around at the mo for two new Rods, you know as a treat cost my Harrison's reel seat is moving or loose when I'm reeling in any weight, I like the look of the greys air curve anyone used them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massivejim Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I seen you put before that you adore them rods it sounds like you've got a few good sets to be honest. I was give 3 Harrison ballista slims I'm sure I've mentioned this before but when I was out yesterday I cast out a 3 oz lead just to see how far I could chuck it an on the retrieve the reel felt like it was going to come free imagin I had a dream fish on! Can the reel seat be fix because for old rods they are pristine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I seen you put before that you adore them rods it sounds like you've got a few good sets to be honest. I was give 3 Harrison ballista slims I'm sure I've mentioned this before but when I was out yesterday I cast out a 3 oz lead just to see how far I could chuck it an on the retrieve the reel felt like it was going to come free imagin I had a dream fish on! Can the reel seat be fix because for old rods they are pristine Definitley , yes , get em fixed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massivejim Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Cm I'm a deserving kid come on I'll swap ya! Haha that's how I got mine some nice chap seen the keen glint in my eye with my spit tip Shakespeare quiver tip, my grandad always said all u need is a hook an a plan.. It's only water hunting son! Legend Edited April 6, 2015 by Massivejim Massivejim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 got some really keen kids, with hardworking parents, who cant afford to supply there fishing mad lads, donations will be given with pleasure, pay back for all the pleasure its given me, and hopefully another lifelong angler will result and I can walk away with a warm feeling. Thats a fantastic gesture mate it really is . CM , while we're on the subject of rods ..... Soft playing action , not too heavy yet suitable for a big reel , needing to cast no more than 110 yards top whack and to minimise the possibilty of at-the-net hookpulls . Oh and they have to last forever ...which rod ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massivejim Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'm quite sure who ever you give them to will respect them or atleast I hope they do.. Old Jimmy who gave me mine asks me all the time how I'm doing an what I've learnt, I think he gave them me to keep me out of trouble to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Greys Prodigy 2.5TC, reasonable price, lifetime replacement for 30 quid, unbeatable for the money, I gave my pal a pair because fussy me didn't like the action, longbows but lots of people don't like them, best playing rods I have ever used, stuff Bruce and Walker and hutchy.And supposing money wasnt an object ( within reason ) ? Ovh i forgot , suitable foe PVA bag work too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Century, choose your own TC and action, because each rod style is unique, I love my armalites, far better than some of the more expensive alternatives gracing my store room, but Harrison are worth a shout, above that I wouldn't go if I were you, some of them are well overpriced for their fishing capabilities, tackle tart rubbish.Yeh mate i agree on that , and not just rods either Does your average tackle shop stock upper end rods or would any potential buyer have to go to a show or something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 A few years ago , i was nosing in a tackle shop in St Osyths , a tiny little place , and i came across a couple of 2.25 tc Barbel rods that had been custom built for somebody or other with Harrison blanks . I didnt know anything about rods at all , and still dont really , but these were beautiful and felt it . I could have had the pair for £220 . My biggest regret in Angling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 leave the shows well alone, most of it is either damaged or faulty production runs or obsolete, internet reputable dealers, orvis , Poingdestres or some such, angling direct sent me a new barrow with a busted mud foot and they knew about it, all that glitters aint gold, deal with pros not pedlars, you always have a comeback. I was asking more about getting to try and feel the rods out rather than picking up bargains etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 difficult Tim, I never rate a rod until I have used it in action, it might feel right until it is asked to do the job, compare it to buying one of those shiny sets of screwdrivers that you buy, only one ever fits the screw but you bought the packet and until you ask it the real question, doesn't matter how it feels, that's why I have gone through so many rods, the tried and trusted by experienced anglers can save you a lot of time and money, but even then personal preference is paramount. So basically , whenever anybody buys a new rod , its guesswork ? Cos nobody is going to let you take it fishing for a "test drive" are they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 correct, if your mates got one , try it, otherwise it is pure guesswork and I wouldn't mind betting there is a hell of a lot of people on here that have rods that they feel were a mistake. I always thought you extremely honest maybe even too honest when you talk about all the pricey gear you have that you say is no good for you . I must have got lucky with my Berkeleys then because i loved em when i first picked em up and i still do . I wonder how many people initially felt as you suggest when they first picked up their rods have adapted their fishing to suit the rods and now feel like they are tailor made for them ? Does that make sense ? salokcinnodrog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 One of the things i used to like in Carpology was their "on test" features . They would take 20 or so Rods or bedchairs or headtorches or whatever , give them to anglers to try out for a period of time and they would give marks out of 10 in under and over £150 catergories . As you say , it must be guesswork but i've lost count of how many times i've invested in their recommendations and been delighted . Having said that , not with anything as expensive or personal as rods though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) I always thought you extremely honest maybe even too honest when you talk about all the pricey gear you have that you say is no good for you . I must have got lucky with my Berkeleys then because i loved em when i first picked em up and i still do . I wonder how many people initially felt as you suggest when they first picked up their rods have adapted their fishing to suit the rods and now feel like they are tailor made for them ? Does that make sense ? This is interesting. I've been wondering about my rods and whether they are all that great lately, but I'm not prepared to judge them yet because I'm 99% sure my casting technique has the most to do with. They are nice with just a lead but a small bag and then I'm struggling. It probably doesn't help that I've just learnt after watching a video on casting that I've loaded them with line that's far too heavy (15lb). They need 12lb max, but I'll be getting 10lb. Another side thought, I could go for a lighter lead when using a bag and running rig to reduce the weight I'm trying to cast? An ounce or 1.5 max? Edited April 11, 2015 by Ddgx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmarket Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 This is interesting. I've been wondering about my rods and whether they are all that great lately, but I'm not prepared to judge them yet because I'm 99% sure my casting technique has the most to do with. They are nice with just a lead but a small bag and then I'm struggling. It probably doesn't help that I've just learnt after watching a video on casting that I've loaded them with line that's far too heavy (15lb). They need 12lb max, but I'll be getting 10lb. Another side thought, I could go for a lighter lead when using a bag and running rig to reduce the weight I'm trying to cast? An ounce or 1.5 max?Dan , remind me again what you are using again ?And i'll give you my expert Essex must-be-followed recommendation :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianain Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Essex must-be-followed recommendation :smile: Get on xxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianain Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Keep forgetting my laughing chops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddgx Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I've got Daiwa Theory 12ft in 2.75lb Tim. Some Essex advice would be most appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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