serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Ive been having trouble catching Roach and Bream this year compared to the past, and ive just realised it might be my line that's the problem. I loaded my reels with Daiwa Sensor 12lb as I was intending to catch carp, but when that didnt work out too well went back to fishing for bream and roach. So is this possible? Could the line be causing me to get less fish? Or am I just unlucky? If this is the case what line should I be using? I was thinking of loading a seperate reel up with 8lb mainline and using this to fish for roach/bream/tench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Absolutely, very very finicky feeders. Back when i fished for silers, i wouldn't use anything over 4lb mainline with a 2lb hooklink to size 16/18 hook. in general situations. If bigger carp (8lb+) were present, then maybe step up to a 6lb main, with 4lb hooklink with size 14 hook. If they were still finiky, step down further, i have had double figure carp on size 22 hooks, and have seen them caught on 24's!!! A note worth mentioning is try to only target one thing. If you are after big carp, you will need to be geared up to do so, stepping up to catch carp will drastically reduce your other catch rates. If you want to catch silvers, then fish accordingly, and expet to be snapped off, or to have to very carefully play bigger carp. There really isnt a best of both worlds, without using a pole IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Absolutely, very very finicky feeders. Back when i fished for silers, i wouldn't use anything over 4lb mainline with a 2lb hooklink to size 16/18 hook. in general situations. If bigger carp (8lb+) were present, then maybe step up to a 6lb main, with 4lb hooklink with size 14 hook.If they were still finiky, step down further, i have had double figure carp on size 22 hooks, and have seen them caught on 24's!!! A note worth mentioning is try to only target one thing. If you are after big carp, you will need to be geared up to do so, stepping up to catch carp will drastically reduce your other catch rates. If you want to catch silvers, then fish accordingly, and expet to be snapped off, or to have to very carefully play bigger carp. There really isnt a best of both worlds, without using a pole IMO. OK, well my local does have carp up to 25lb, but ive only ever had smallers ones out of it. When I fish it its mostly for roach and bream, I go for carp elsewhere. I was thinking I could have one rod setup for carp and the other for roach/bream (not diddlers; bigger roach, Bream of 3lb+, and perhaps tench up to 5lb, etc) so what line strength would you say I should go for? Like I said in my previous post I was thinking 8lb mainline, would that be good or should I go lighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 8lb is still to thick, people fish for 40lb carp on 8lb line. It really depends on what rods you are using? I its a soft enough rod, i would go around 4lb max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 8lb is still to thick, people fish for 40lb carp on 8lb line. It really depends on what rods you are using? I its a soft enough rod, i would go around 4lb max. 4lb huh? OK no problem, as your most likely much more knowledgeable than me i'll trust your judgement I was always super paranoid about light line snapping which is why I loaded my reels with 12lb as I figured i'd never have to worry about that with smaller fish. I was totally wrong it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 4lb huh? OK no problem, as your most likely much more knowledgeable than me i'll trust your judgement I was always super paranoid about light line snapping which is why I loaded my reels with 12lb as I figured i'd never have to worry about that with smaller fish. I was totally wrong it seems Knowledgable, may be an overstatement, experienced....possibly...well, i have been there at least. As long as you give line, and let the rod take the lunges, even with very light line you will have no trouble. Forget fish size and strength of line, the fact that we measure both in lb's is just confusing. A 20lb carp could not pull 4lb in a linear motion. People fish for 60lb carp on 12lb line, makes it seem a little over kill for 1lb roach and 4lb tench..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Just another question, ive told my dad about using 4lb line and he claims it would snap on the cast with a cage feeder... thoughts? I was planning to use Daiwa Sensor Brown 4lb btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Maybe if your cage feeder weighed 3lb. Why not try it for your self see how you get on. edit, what kind of rod are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Maybe if your cage feeder weighed 3lb. Why not try it for your self see how you get on. edit, what kind of rod are you using? Ok fair enough Its just a light feeder rod with quiver tip (though i'll be using it with bite alarms). I dont know what its test curve is, all I know is it says 80g on it which I guess means you can use a max of 80g for the feeder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Perfect. If you feel uncertain, then you could step up to 6lb main, just fo piece of mind, personally, i like to fish light. What kind of hooks are you using? I would strongly suggest pre-tied spade end hooks to nylon. You will never ever be able to tie hooks as neatly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Perfect. If you feel uncertain, then you could step up to 6lb main, just fo piece of mind, personally, i like to fish light. What kind of hooks are you using? I would strongly suggest pre-tied spade end hooks to nylon. You will never ever be able to tie hooks as neatly! Ok awesome I havent decided what hooks yet, I have been using Korum quick stop hair rigs in size 10. Do you have a brand/size you think would be best to go for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Been a while since i have bought any. But you can never go wrong with drennan end tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_h Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 6lb Maxima Chameleon line is what I have always used for bream and have had hauls of over 150lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 6lb Maxima Chameleon line is what I have always used for bream and have had hauls of over 150lb Nice Well ive gone for some Sensor 6lb anyway just to be safe, it will give me more confidence if I end up playing an aggressive tench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Hooks to nylon animals 16,18s have seen me catch carp into double figures on the tip ...... If your venue is relatively snag free I'd be on 4lb maxima(good stretch) to a 3-3.5 hook to nylon ..... Either drennan or the animals are a really strong little hook that will also see you get plenty bites but still have enough ummffff to tame a double figure fish..... Your just not going to have much control over the fish for the 1st 5/10 mins it's why I asked about the snags at your venue ..... Just a word of warning tho mate I wouldn't use mainline any heavier than the 6 you're using ..... Light feeder rods are normally rated for main lines between 4-8lb ... You may find the your tip section will snap before your line does if your every badly snagged up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Hooks to nylon animals 16,18s have seen me catch carp into double figures on the tip ...... If your venue is relatively snag free I'd be on 4lb maxima(good stretch) to a 3-3.5 hook to nylon ..... Either drennan or the animals are a really strong little hook that will also see you get plenty bites but still have enough ummffff to tame a double figure fish..... Your just not going to have much control over the fish for the 1st 5/10 mins it's why I asked about the snags at your venue .....: Well my local has a few snags in one corner but the rest of it is relatively snag free, but i'll stick with the 6lb and see how I get on. What are your thoughts on these: Of course not size 10, I was thinking of trying the size 12 or 14? Just a word of warning tho mate I wouldn't use mainline any heavier than the 6 you're using ..... Light feeder rods are normally rated for main lines between 4-8lb ... You may find the your tip section will snap before your line does if your every badly snagged up Noted My dad has a light feeder rod with the same 12lb line on it, i'll tell him to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grangemilky Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I personally wouldn't want to use a hair rig less than size 10, I just don't think the hook has enough weight to drop the hook in the lip. I would just side hook baits straight onto the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adders60 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 If fishing a feeder rod be careful that you do not snap the tip with casting excessive feeders I use 6lb line for feeder fishing, tip or bite alarm and use the 35g method feeder which when loaded with feed would weigh approx. 60 to 70g which is a lot for a feeder rod to cast out on 6lb line 4lb line sounds to light for feeder work, ok for float rod not for feeder work based on casting loads / weights etc. It only takes a few extra ounces to snap your mainline on the cast or break the quiver tip so balanced line and rod and reel is a must My carp rod is 2.5lb tc and I cast 1.5oz lead with pva bags which equals about 2.5 to 3oz casting weight and on this I use 12lb line but I am aiming for larger carp 8lb up to 25lb Hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Used 4lb mainline for my silver fishing feeder work for years...... Can't remember having a crack off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I personally wouldn't want to use a hair rig less than size 10, I just don't think the hook has enough weight to drop the hook in the lip. I would just side hook baits straight onto the hook. Thats why you have to be ready to strike when you get an indication But seriously I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem, people have pop ups that lift the hook up off the bed and they hook fish fine. If fishing a feeder rod be careful that you do not snap the tip with casting excessive feeders My rod is rated for a feeder of 20 - 80g, but yeah i'll be careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 For years I have always considered the line as an integral part of my fishing. There is a lot of forgetting that a heavier line will be more difficult to work with, less casting distance, less tackle control, and it may well be overloading the rod, although some of the responses in this thread show that some people haven't forgotten the 'arts' With a match rod and float the heaviest line I would consider is 5lb, and I have landed tench to over 8lb on that. If I was fishing for roach on the same rod, the chances are the line would be around 3lb mainline, with a lighter hooklink. Stick float fishing on the river would probably be a 3or4lb line maximum, unless I was fishing a big chubber style float, when 6lb may be better. When ledgering, I would up the breaking strain, probably using a line between 4-8lb and that 8lb would likely be if I was fishing for bigger fish in snaggier swims. Years ago, we used to use 8lb line as standard for carp fishing, but with the upsized sea reels we use now, we seem to have come up with 12-15lb as standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adders60 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Exactly, that's why I suggested 6lb line as he is fishing a feeder rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmanstevo Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Exactly, that's why I suggested 6lb line as he is fishing a feeder rod If you was targeting silver fish with 6lb mainline what would be your hooklength size ? I find a 4lb mainline to a 2,12oz/3lb hooklength with a 16,18 to be perfect for silvers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serbusfish Posted October 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Well my 6lb line arrived today, though it didnt show up til 11.30 so I didnt get fishing til around 1.30. I used the Drennan barbless quick stops in size 12 and caught 3 fish + missed a couple more due to me doing something at the time (always the case!). First was a nice 4.5lb bream, second was a small bream and third was a roach (my carp rod did nothing as usual!). If I had got fishing earlier I would probably have had a better day, as it was I didnt really have enough time to get much bait in before it was getting dark. Hopefully i'll get to go next week when I can make a proper day of it, weather permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adders60 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Excellent result, well done glad you had a better day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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