stefan345 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 With my 2 3/4 tc rods what's the heaviest lead I should use? They are the ESP Tracers, quite soft rods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisbickle Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The people in the know(distance casters..rod manufacturers etc) reckon the optimum casting weight is a quarter ounce heavier than your tc (in ounces).....so your 2.75tc rods...optimum lead is 3oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welder Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Stefan, you state that your ESP's are soft in their action. You may be able to use a lightish lead and still achieve good distance by taking advantage of the rods' compliance. Â It will depend upon your casting technique to a large extent, and wether or not you want to use PVA bags and the like. Â I have assumed that you asked your question in regard to distance casting, of course. If this isn't the case let us know, mate. Â Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 No Point in fishing with a 3oz lead, and then sticking another 2oz or more on with a bag or stick either. Â It may actually pay if you are using big PVA bags/mesh to drop down a few lead sizes if you are trying to get distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisbickle Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 ???? Tracers are tip action rods...not through action.....not soft rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leggs007 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Nick made an excellent point. I see a lot of people trying to get distance with 3oz leads and 2oz bags. Yes very possible to cast distance with 5oz on the end but only with the right tackle. 2.75 tc are definitely not built for casting 5oz at distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisbickle Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Nick made an excellent point I see a lot of people trying to get distance with 3oz leads and 2oz bags yes very possible to cast distance with 5oz on the end but only with the right tackle 2/75 tc are definitely not built for casting 5oz at distance. definitely agree with that....I assumed he was asking about lead not bags etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Nick made an excellent point I see a lot of people trying to get distance with 3oz leads and 2oz bags yes very possible to cast distance with 5oz on the end but only with the right tackle 2/75 tc are definitely not built for casting 5oz at distance. definitely agree with that....I assumed he was asking about lead not bags etc  I only added on about the bags because I very rarely cast out without some sort of PVA attachment to reduce tangles, be it a mesh of boilies, stringer, bag of pellets or crumb or the current fashion item a stick mix.  I know that I use 3oz leads on my 2.75's with a stringer or bag, but at the moment, I'm not aiming for massive distances. Should I need to fish a longer distance, then I would likely make the bag smaller or even fish single bait stringers rather than drop lead size.  A single bait and 3oz lead, I know that I can put well over 100metres.  Even a leadcore leader may add extra weight to be trying to cast that the rod can't handle, although I don't know how much weight a 2 metre length of leadcore weighs. Not something that I advise or recommend using leadcore at all anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Rarely use a bag, just a small stick, I want to try get close to an island which is around 130 yards out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garysj01 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 rarely use a bag, just a small stick, I want to try get close to an island witch is around 130 yards out  How much of a drop do you have to the lead when your ready to cast? plus unfortunately the stick will inhibit the cast some what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have the lead around half the length of the rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garysj01 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have the lead around half the length of the rod  How much practice have you had fella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garysj01 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Best thing to do is either type in Terry Edmonds or Mark Hutchinson on youtube and watch what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have the lead around half the length of the rod  How much practice have you had fella? Well, been carping since about 11 am now 14, its not that I'm a bad caster I'm very accurate just need to work on distance which can only get better with practise I assume, will check them vids out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salokcinnodrog Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 stefan345 Posted: 2nd Feb 2013 17:00 Post subject:  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  rarely use a bag, just a small stick, I want to try get close to an island witch is around 130 yards out  That is going to take a lot of distance off your casting. I mentioned the use of PVA earlier; can you come up with a tangle free set-up that uses no PVA, or just use a 1 or 2 bait stringer.  Best thing to do is either type in Terry Edmonds or Mark Hutchinson on youtube and watch what they do  Then make sure that once your technique is right you spend time practising.  Even with todays tackle, 100yards or metres is still a long cast for most of us. Rod and reel should be matched to get the best out of each other.  Along with other advice on this thread, is it possible, or safe to drop the diameter of your mainline and use a shockleader to get the distance? If there are any snags or weed present, then forget it. ANY leader is an additional tether risk to a hooked fish, and you could well be leaving them to suffer a premature end.  The majority of mainlines are rated by breaking strain, yet have a thick diameter. A 15lb BS rated mainline is often with a diameter of 0.38-0.40mm, and you may well struggle to cast that distance with that diameter mainline.  Drop down to 0.35, or even 0.32mm, use a shockleader, and you could well find that distance reachable. You may even need to go lower dependant on the reels you own.  Lead set-up, you might want to check your lead set-up.  Inlines may well wobble in flight, pushing themselves nose down, and shortening distance.  Pendant set-ups could be a better option. The lead will pull the rig behind it, and they normally fly true, but could need feathering to prevent tangles on impact.   Or go the whole hog, and resort to a helicopter or rotary set-up, the rig up the mainline, and again, the lead pulling the lot behind it.   Use a short and likely as stiff as hooklink as possible, your super soft braids may well be out.   It may be possible to put the whole lot in a PVA bag; lead, bait, hook and rig.  You may even need to look at the shape of your lead. Flattened bombs, trilobes, flat pears and the like may not cast as well as tournament, pear or distance leads.  Then of course, once you've worked out that the island is at 130metres, and you can hit it, FORGET the whole lot, and remember that the fish are still likely to come into the near margins anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Cheers! Defo going to adapt my set up accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garysj01 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Im not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs, but the video's are instructional, maybe it is just bits and pieces that you wouldn't normally think of, but these guys know how to cast, yes they are using top of the range rods and reels but you will definitely gain distance if you take on board what is said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welder Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Im not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs, but the video's are instructional, maybe it is just bits and pieces that you wouldn't normally think of, but these guys know how to cast, yes they are using top of the range rods and reels but you will definitely gain distance if you take on board what is said. Â I did something similar, typed in "distance casting" on YouTube and found lots of information. Using this new knowledge improved my casting ability so much that my son asked if I'd been practising on the quiet. Â Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan345 Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Im not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs, but the video's are instructional, maybe it is just bits and pieces that you wouldn't normally think of, but these guys know how to cast, yes they are using top of the range rods and reels but you will definitely gain distance if you take on board what is said. just watched a few of them vids defo think they will help on things like stance etc, cheers for that garysj01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garysj01 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 No probs, you'll find its all in the detail, that will get you the range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighton_carper Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Im not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs, but the video's are instructional, maybe it is just bits and pieces that you wouldn't normally think of, but these guys know how to cast, yes they are using top of the range rods and reels but you will definitely gain distance if you take on board what is said. Â Most of the lakes I fish don't require more than an 80 yard chuck, but if I'm going to be fishing somewhere that requires proper range, I have a quick look at one of the Terry Edmonds or Mark Hutchinson youtube vids, just to remind myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt859 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 cant you just stick on a bigger lead and give it some welly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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