Extracts and Attractors

[garysj01]

So chaps

 

Why Fishmeals

 

Why Milk Proteins

 

Why High Attract

 

I know there is many more, but for starts why choose a particular make up of a boilie over another.

 

As you know bait isn't my strong point, so i would be keen to see the replies.

[salokcinnodrog]

Enervite did me very well and was one of my favourite baits for a long time, and that has a nice quantity of Liver Powder in its make up as well as Birdfoods.

 

I have a feeling that the white pea and some other plain milk proteins may well have had an enzyme splitter added (trypsin?), in the form of Bengers or possibly naturally present in their make-up.

 

Del,

You've used the milk proteins for a long time, were Addits used or put in in any form?

 

If so then you have made the bait more attractive with additional attractors and amino acids.

 

It was Tim Paisley who did the work with Hi-Nu-Val and the Addits which I think he designed to be made up with that bait specifically.

 

One thing I do think is that milks have to be used up very quickly from fresh or out of the freezer, whereas fishmeals we can get away with a longer 'shelf life' on the bank. In fact many fishmeal baits are at their best after a day or 3 out of the freezer, when that white skin is starting to form, be it enzyme or sugar bloom (my faith is on the sugars )

 

 

I feel that fishmeals are effective on so many waters because so many baits contain them; most anglers don't know 'enough' about baits (not because they don't know but because they simply buy a bait without necessarily worrying about it, as long as it is an effective catcher), yet meat meals like Beef may be as good, especially if they are bio-active or isotonic as the bywords.

 

Nige came up with a point about fishmeals in silt, I think the carp will still take them, but maybe as anglers we are obsessed with the bait smelling clean and pure?

 

Or is it maybe that fishmeals are naturally more dense and so sink further into the silt, and are not so easily found by the carp, compared to a lighter yellow birdfood or milk protein base?

[nigewoodcock]

The base that coops sent me is very light when rolled. Even more so after I added some easyflow calf milk. They do sink but very slowly. Ideal for silt and I will also use it when back on horseshoe in the spring. It should sit beautifully on the weed.

[nigewoodcock]

The weight of the bait has been an added bonus rather than design on my part. Maybe it formed part of Jamie's thinking? I was just not getting the interest that I thought the DSM was deserving of. The 2 fish I lost were both on a milk based bait. I haven't done more than 30 hours fishing in total on the water since switching over but have been popping up and applying it. Time will tell but I think I'm getting closer.

[carefulcarping]

I wish I knew my stuff about bait, but I guess, as the years go on, my understanding will become better.

 

All I know is, I have used a fair few baits, found one in confident in, and I use it and catch.

 

What I have learnt about bait is its best to find one and stick, if I didn't work for you first time round, it might work on the 2nd as the fish seen it on the first, and might become abit accustomed to it, and then trip up.

 

Ross.

[Guest keenook]

I wish I knew my stuff about bait, but I guess, as the years go on, my understanding will become better.

 

All I know is, I have used a fair few baits, found one in confident in, and I use it and catch.

 

What I have learnt about bait is its best to find one and stick, if I didn't work for you first time round, it might work on the 2nd as the fish seen it on the first, and might become abit accustomed to it, and then trip up.

 

Ross.

 

Fair points Ross, however I believe a good bait willl be taken on the first time of asking!

[garysj01]

So i would guess its the amino's that the carp are attracted to in the milk protein boilies.

 

I know a very basic assumption, but like Ross i have always put my faith in others doing it for me, and if it catches then why change, but i would like to know more.

 

So come on

 

What has a milk protein got that a Fishmeal or indeed a meat meal hasn't got.

 

Do carp find the milk proteins more attractive because they are more easily digested than the others

 

Sorry for the noddy question, but bait is not my strong point

[travisbickle]

will reply later...but in simple form...yes gary....far more easily utilised proteins

[garysj01]

So you have a good Milk Protein Base, which is more attractive to carp because its easily digested, why add all the other bits, are the other bits like flavour and so fourth necessary or are a lot of these baits to catch the angler.

[travisbickle]

there lies the trick...some are purely catching anglers....a genuine bait only needs one or two added attractors....to boost its profile....base only baits do catch of course they do...but its like turning up to a gunfight with one gun...when the other guy has three...yes?

[salokcinnodrog]

I disagree a bit as I don't necessarily think that milk proteins are as good as fish and meats in terms of nutrition, you have to have that extra form of amino 'breakdown' to make the milk proteins as good.

 

However fish and meats do seem to rely to a certain extent on the inherent oils for attraction, which may well reduce their winter effectiveness.

 

In winter all baits take a bit longer to digest and the carp can be filled up a lot quicker than in summer, so with any bait, less may often better for the fish.

 

 

Kev,

I think that a good bait should work on the first time out, but sometimes the more the carp can eat before being hooked, then the better it will be.

 

If you hook a fish on the first time you use the bait, then the carp (especially the one hooked), may well start to avoid it. It is why there is the need to come up with new baits as results may gradually tail off due to the wariness of the fish if every time they feed over the bait they get hooked.

[travisbickle]

Nick....if I add an elevated level of valine into a milk bait it will break and utilise quicker than any fish/meat base....that would be one of my two attractors.....

 

the second would be something as simple as malic acid in a fruit mask

[Guest keenook]

I here what you are saying Nick, However I have not known a good bait to "blow" and that is the reason I do not change my base mixes.

[salokcinnodrog]

I here what you are saying Nick, However I have not known a good bait to "blow" and that is the reason I do not change my base mixes.

 

I'm not sure a good bait will 'blow' as such. It will always be a good food source, but what I think makes the fish wary of it is when anglers stop pre-baiting, thinking that they will always catch over it. The repeated captures outweigh taking the hookbait confidently when the fish are around it.