Cheers mate I new it was about time I signed great advice I don't no we're u are but we have just had some snow (lite) little worried wont pull anything out how big is the pool I hope it's not cramp plenty off space n quite as havent had chance to get there till we go Sunday bit blind but thanks for the information it's greatly appreciated u think might have a chance in these conditions I was gna try maggots size 12 hook would u recommend a braid hook lenth