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Gaz

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  1. Thanks fellas , even you Newmarket  :P .

     

    I may well take you up on your kind offer at some point Gaz , as although I have already joined a club this year they are " improving " the lake , and I'm not sure how things are going to turn out .

    So are you a Spurs fan Gaz ? , because we could do with some balance on this forum , what with Gooners and Irons  :P .

    no problem any time, and yes YID ARMY lol  :)

  2. hi mate, i am on paxmans and a committee member, have been for 14 years or so. fell free to have a look around or i could have a meet with you and show you if you would prefer. we also have a facebook site which is open to public viewing but only members have the ability to post on there as we want to keep it to members only.

     

    arlesford has some good carp, grass carp to 30, rudd to 3 big perch and bream and plenty of pike but double figure pike are very hard to come by nowadays in that water. also have other waters with cats to mid 60 carp to 42 

  3. Have you actually read either of those? Neither give a definitive answer, nor fight your case very well.

    If I ever go to court, remind me not to employ you as my lawyer.

    i have quoted what ouch wrote, the truth is there yet you still argue, like always, you ALWAYS go out of your way to cause an argument, have done since you came onto this forum. either you really have no idea what your talking about and just wanna jump on the bandwagon? or you really dont care about the welfare of the fish? ouch has quoted exactly what these rigs can do so either disbelieve the post (the one you have been asking for) and carry on, or read it take it in and maybe just once think you might be wrong and might have been taught a valuble lesson about a damaging rig? the choice is yours really.

  4. Rob maylin also outlined the dangers of the bent hook rig in print too, once they became known. The 360 rig is attributed to dave lane who stated it was a "big fish" rig where the likelyhood of doublehooking/stitching the hook is less likely. Some mouth damage will be down to poor unhooking, refusal to cut the hook if required (or even not being aware this is an option, how many people truthfully think to snip a hook?) also using the 360 rig out of the context to which it was origionally designed. I think that its use on smaller fish, high stock runs waters (for which it wasnt designed) is another reason why mouth damage may be encountered. Personally i think there are other pop up rigs out there that are just as effective.

     

    :rolleyes:

    a little more for you

  5. The 360 rig is sometimes pinned with mouth damage due to its mechanics, in the same way the long shank bent hook rig was in the 80-90s - indeed this rig was banned in many places. The long shank aspect used to "double hook" (hook through the lips multiple times, otherwise called stitching) and then tear in the carps mouth, the bent hook, if not bent correctly, would open and close at the point of bending kind of like an old fashioned can opener causing damage to the carp.

     

    The fox series 5 - the first commercially available long shanked curved hook brought in to try and emulate the success of the bent hook rig. It was found that smaller, more frantic carp could "double hook" themselves which then tore, ripping the lips. The readon shrink tube became so popular was it allowed you to fish a "bent hook" which didnt cause the damage with the hook opening and closing like a can openerin the carps mouth this is why we bend and curve shrink tube, to emulate the bent hook rig.The link has been made between the longshanked aspect and the 360 rig, it has been said (by "them") that it can cause the double hooking which leads to mouth damage. The evidence is not exactly solid, in the case of the bent hook rig, the damage and its cause was obvious, and lots of lakes banned it. The 360 rig is used by many top anglers, mr dave lane being one of them, it is seen as a "big fish rig" mostly down to the fact it utilises a longshanked hook which can hook multiple times in a smaller carps mouth. It is also designed to be fished heavily weighted as opposed to critically balanced. The idea is that the pop up spins 360 degrees and hook in the bottom lip. The use of a longshank hook has always been linked to mouth damage to smaller carp. Whether its true or not? Well thats open to speculation, the old bent hook was brutal, but the 360 rig is well popular and well used, if it was as damaging as the old bent hook rig was, then we would know by now, its been out for years, i dont use it as its too much metal in/around the hook - plus the use of a longshank puts me off a bit, as i remember the mouth damage from the 1st longshank curved hooks and bent hook rigs. I havent seen the series 5 on sale for years, although fox do sell the armapoint LSC which look near as damn it identical.

     

    :rolleyes:

    here ya go :roll:

  6. lol, i just knew you would come up with something, it has been explained exactly how and why these rigs cause damage, shame not many people seem worried by it though, usually the ones that have no idea they just jump on the bandwagon and follow others without thinking and seeing the truth.

     

    ok now we all put a hook into a fishes mouth when we have no real need to BUT, i for one will do it as safely as i possibly can, and by that i will not use a rig that has been proved to cause terrible damage, if you want to use that rig then unfortuanately there is nothing me or anyone else can do about it unles you fish a water where the said rig is banned

  7. 360 rigs ive used for years have never caused the damage claimed in this thread. Thats scientific through real life fishing not theories.only reason I went quiet on this is because uou can only express your actual experiences so many times before monotony sets in. Great rig and no more damage than a regular hair rig on fish of all sizes. Thats me take my word for it or dont. Every one has a right to an opinion. Happy fishing to whatever rig you use. So long as its safe like the 360 is.

    that your opinion, what about the people that have seen the damage these rigs can and do cause? you might be the lucky one. there has been many accounts of terrible damage by these rigs, proven as well. as you said yourself, it gets monotomous. you havnt seen the damage, i and many others have, therefore until you see the damage you wont believe it, where as the many people that has seen the damage know for a fact that it exists. how many people from years gone by see the damage a bent hook caused? many people i know used it and never see the damage, would you use that now?

  8. thanks for being better at putting finger to keyboard OUCH, now your so much better at explaining things than me its gone very quiet lol. hopefully people will reloook at this hook on club/day ticket waters and only think of using it on big fish waters, or maybe not at all 8)

  9. As ive said dont beleive it causes damage but looking at da pic above to me its just a vells abd whistle rigs. The way some people go on about fish welfare to the extremes some people go should stop putting hooks in them all togeather. Some carp anglers talk more rubbish than the animal rights nuts when it comes to carp welfare.

    so because we put a hook in them we shouldnt be careful not to further damage them? stupid statement. the time will come when you see the damage that the 360 causes mainly with smaller fish, then you might think again

  10. So let's all move on, I don't think anyone would use them if they caused damage to the fish

    really? have you seen some of the shocking rigs being used nowadays? some people go out to catch at all costs without any regard for fish welfare

  11. I fail to see how fixing a swivel to a hook can cause horrific damage! I use this method to balance my floating plastic sweet corn on my rig. I've never had a problem with fish conservation.

    How about you scaling your broom handle down - it'll work wonders. :wink:

    so how do you use the swivel to balance the plastic corn then? again, it can and does do damage, you fail to see how? look into it or would that prove that maybe you dont have fish welfare at heart?

  12. I take it you mean horrific damage to the landing net? This malarkey gets better by the day!

    ??? great input lol. if you deny the 360 can and does damage the mouths of smaller fish you either dont care or dont wanna know.

  13. I wouldn't worry about the rig, as long as you use the right hooks, its no less safe than any other rig. The mouth damage myth is from I mentioned earlier the hook eye getting caught in landing net mesh, a problem that is easily solved.

    I wouldn't class the 360 as complicated at all, in fact its pretty simple. It works on the same basis as a chod...no matter which way the fish approaches the hook can touch the bottom lip, and spin round and take hold. Simple as it gets!

    your kidding mate?

  14. Whats terrible about it the man asks for advise and i gave him some he did not know about the place unlike you and no theres no secrets about the place.

    As for bulling tyres etc when i was a member never see it happen like i said only really fished prestons and bovvy and found it ok both lakes imo have some nice fish in and as i remember 160 quid not really syndicate money. 

    never see it or didnt want to? bovvy had terrible problems with tyres being slashed, houchins had terrible bullying problems, tbh they ended up banning a member for life because of it. snake pit has problems with people holding swims for mates. i have seen all the problems and a mate had 2 tyres slashed because he had the big common out a ferw years back, another mate was threatned with a shovel, again cause he had the big one out. nick the bailif at bovvy was threatened in front of his girlfriend for casting onto someone elses baited spot, the other bloke was fishing well out of his area and the bailif underarm flicked a bait into his own margin. now i aint been a member of caps for about 6 years now, never join again but to be fare MAYBE they have sorted the problems out?

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